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Hunter Biden Interview on Jimmy Kimmel

shuttlt said:
But the link that was provided to some article "debunking" the laptop said that they had been able to validate lots of the data, it's synced from cloud email providers so showing it was altered would be easy. You've got recipients of the data validating it as well. You've got all the chat on there about Hunter complaining about having to share half his salary with his father, you've got the cuts of business deals for "the big guy". You've got hunter paying Joe's bills. You've got the secret service covering up the whole gun thing.

None of this matters even if it's true. You've got half of Congress (hyperbolically speaking) with their kids working for Ukrainian oil companies. I'm not sure anything Joe is accused of here is so wildly outside normal business for Washington. So he's been taking backhanders funnelled through his family his whole career.....? Insider trading is legal for these guys. If getting a cut out of the legislation you pass isn't wrong, I'm not sure getting a cut out of foreign aid, or international deals would be much of a leap. This isn't a partisan thing... Republican's do this too.
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Some of the communications have been independently verified. Some of the communications indicate that Hunter had sketchy dealings with his father. No one has claimed any of the communications fit into both categories. You can be sure the right-wing would be screaming bloody murder if they had.

Instead it's "Some of the e-mails have been verified! Some of the e-mails show sketchy things!", and hoping people make the connection on their own. Good enough to fool people on the internet, but any defense lawyer worth their weight in sand would be able to point out the flaw in a criminal proceeding.
 
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Some of the communications have been independently verified. Some of the communications indicate that Hunter had sketchy dealings with his father. No one has claimed any of the communications fit into both categories. You can be sure the right-wing would be screaming bloody murder if they had.

Instead it's "Some of the e-mails have been verified! Some of the e-mails show sketchy things!", and hoping people make the connection on their own. Good enough to fool people on the internet, but any defense lawyer worth their weight in sand would be able to point out the flaw in a criminal proceeding.
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Biden's business partner who was the recipient of some of the emails related to china verified some of them and I believe talked about interest free loans from the Chinese that didn't have to be paid back. Only the justice department would actually be able to verify this stuff, so nothing is going to happen. Like I say, not sure that anything Biden is accused of is particularly unusual. I doubt all the rest of the children of Congress creatures who were working for Ukrainian oil companies were hired because of their unique insight into the ukrainian oil market.

It's like in the Godfather... They just want to wet their beaks. What Biden did wrong was to involve a crack addict with a weakness for Russian hookers in the operation.
 
shuttlt said:
Biden's business partner who was the recipient of some of the emails related to china verified some of them and I believe talked about interest free loans from the Chinese that didn't have to be paid back. Only the justice department would actually be able to verify this stuff, so nothing is going to happen. Like I say, not sure that anything Biden is accused of is particularly unusual. I doubt all the rest of the children of Congress creatures who were working for Ukrainian oil companies were hired because of their unique insight into the ukrainian oil market.

It's like in the Godfather... They just want to wet their beaks. What Biden did wrong was to involve a crack addict with a weakness for Russian hookers in the operation.
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In other words, your reply to mine upthread was just a backhanded way of claiming Biden must have done something illegal.

Show me where Joe Biden involved his son in anything.
 
Stacyhs said:
In other words, your reply to mine upthread was just a backhanded way of claiming Biden must have done something illegal.

Show me where Joe Biden involved his son in anything.
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Hunter claims he was in the emails and text messages, plus you have the business partner claiming it. Again, none of this matters because the justice department would have to investigate it and that doesn't seem very likely. The only thing remarkable about what he is accused of is that he involved a crack addict in it. If we were going by the book, I imagine the whole dumping a firearm in a trash can near a school thing would be a problem, but we aren't. This is the class of people who knock over countries to protect the interests of fruit companies.
 
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shuttlt said:
Hunter claims he was in the emails and text messages, plus Again, none of this matters because the justice department would have to investigate it and that doesn't seem very likely.
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Show me. "you have the business partner claiming it." Claiming what?

Why would the DOJ investigate it if there are no allegations of J. Biden doing anything illegal?
 
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Stacyhs said:
Show me. "you have the business partner claiming it." Claiming what?

Why would the DOJ investigate it if there are no allegations of J. Biden doing anything illegal?
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There have been allegations going back decades. There were complaints during the Obama era in the State department of him creating the appearance of corruption for the way he handled Ukraine. Again, he wasn't not doing anything unique, it's just he is indiscrete about it. These people won't even agree to stop insider trading on the back of the legislation they are passing.

If the DoJ were going to investigate Biden for this stuff, what about all those congressional kids working for ukrainian oil companies? You'd collapse the system. None of this is a secret. It's not even one part vs another.
 
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shuttlt said:
There have been allegations going back decades.
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Allegations? Allegations are easy to make. Like "the election was rigged" or "stolen". But was there ever enough evidence to actually make a charge or even investigation?

There were complaints during the Obama era in the State department of him creating the appearance of corruption for the way he handled Ukraine.
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"Complaints" or "allegations"? You mean the one that "a recently concluded investigation by Senate Republicans that found no wrongdoing by the Bidens, claims to the contrary have continued to circulate on social media,"? THAT one?


Again, he wasn't not doing anything unique, it's just he is indiscrete about it. These people won't even agree to stop insider trading on the back of the legislation they are passing.
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How is he 'indiscrete'?

If the DoJ were going to investigate Biden for this stuff, what about all those congressional kids working for ukrainian oil companies? You'd collapse the system. None of this is a secret. It's not even one part vs another.
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If none of this is a secret, then please provide some evidence of all these "congressional kids working for ukrainian oil companies".
 
IsThisTheLife said:
I can't even begin to imagine the kind of denial/cognitive dissonance required to hand-wave away the concern that the former VPOTUS and current POTUS might very well be seriously 'compromised'.
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By who/what? Hunter Biden? :rolleyes:

Not seeing any evidence supporting this.
 
shuttlt said:
But the link that was provided to some article "debunking" the laptop said that they had been able to validate lots of the data, it's synced from cloud email providers so showing it was altered would be easy. You've got recipients of the data validating it as well. You've got all the chat on there about Hunter complaining about having to share half his salary with his father, you've got the cuts of business deals for "the big guy". You've got hunter paying Joe's bills. You've got the secret service covering up the whole gun thing.
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What crap. :rolleyes:

shuttlt said:
None of this matters even if it's true. You've got half of Congress (hyperbolically speaking) with their kids working for Ukrainian oil companies. I'm not sure anything Joe is accused of here is so wildly outside normal business for Washington. So he's been taking backhanders funnelled through his family his whole career.....? Insider trading is legal for these guys. If getting a cut out of the legislation you pass isn't wrong, I'm not sure getting a cut out of foreign aid, or international deals would be much of a leap. This isn't a partisan thing... Republican's do this too.
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Where do you get this **** from?

Is this some kind of extreme QAnon lunacy?
 
If there was anything legitimate to hang a hat on with this twaddle about the Bidens, the GQP would be flooding all media with shrill, unambiguous accusations and hard evidence, and demanding a Special Prosecutor or House Investivation. That they're going no farther than mealy mouthed innuendo and letting their propaganda organs carry the weight of the muck-raking shows they have squat, and daren't risk slander.

At least that's my impression from up here on this side of the border, and without having delved at all deeply into the matter. A hard drive that has such questionable provenance and custody chain sure has a bunch of desperados clamoring hard to make it relevant, where in a court of law it likely would fail to be accepted into evidence.
 
Lurch said:
If there was anything legitimate to hang a hat on with this twaddle about the Bidens, the GQP would be flooding all media with shrill, unambiguous accusations and hard evidence, and demanding a Special Prosecutor or House Investivation. That they're going no farther than mealy mouthed innuendo and letting their propaganda organs carry the weight of the muck-raking shows they have squat, and daren't risk slander.

At least that's my impression from up here on this side of the border, and without having delved at all deeply into the matter. A hard drive that has such questionable provenance and custody chain sure has a bunch of desperados clamoring hard to make it relevant, where in a court of law it likely would fail to be accepted into evidence.
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These same propaganda organs are the ones screaming about 'all the evidence' that exists proving the election was rigged.
 
shuttlt said:
Again, he wasn't not doing anything unique, it's just he is indiscrete about it.
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Stacyhs said:
How is he 'indiscrete'?
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I suspect shuttit intended to write "indiscreet", just as I suspect shuttit intended to write "he wasn't doing anything unique" instead of alleging uniqueness via the double negative. Both are common errors, and do not (by themselves) prove shuttit is unusually illiterate. Note, for example, that shuttit used two apostrophes correctly within that same sentence.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
I suspect shuttit intended to write "indiscreet", just as I suspect shuttit intended to write "he wasn't doing anything unique" instead of alleging uniqueness via the double negative. Both are common errors, and do not (by themselves) prove shuttit is unusually illiterate. Note, for example, that shuttit used two apostrophes correctly within that same sentence.
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Thanks, but my post had nothing to do with his misspelling or double negative. I actually misspelled it myself conflating it with the adjective 'indiscrete'. It was a serious question. I want to know how Joe Biden was indiscreet.
 
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