The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

[a_unique_person]

Drones with an anti tank grenade can destroy a tank. Each Javelin costs about $136,000 each. Each HIMARS missile costs about $100,000 each.

 

[sackett]

Drones with an anti tank grenade can destroy a tank. Each Javelin costs about $136,000 each. Each HIMARS missile costs about $100,000 each.

And well worth the money. War is wasteful. Tactical effectiveness is what counts.

However (you knew a however was coming), tactical efficiency is different, and can certainly be measured in terms of plain old money. That's why I'm arguing, as others are, for heavier loitering munitions. They may be obsolete in the next war, but they can serve very well now.

YES, GODDAMMIT, IN ADDITION TO ARTILLERY AND MISSILES, some of them 30 years old. The Ukes and the west are fighting a vile enemy, the likes of which has not arisen since 1945. Now is the time for urgent endeavors. Rapid technological development is easier now than ever before.

What, are we afraid?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Ouch.

On July 14, Kalibr high-precision sea-based missiles (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/2753) were launched at the House of Officers of the garrison in Vinnitsa. The facility hosted a conference of the Ukrainian Armed Force command with representatives of foreign armament suppliers aimed at discussing the issues on sending another batch of aircraft, destruction means, as well as on organising the reparation of Ukrainian aircraft. The attack has resulted in the elimination of the conference participants.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Each Javelin costs about $136,000 each.

Not in Livitschansk. You can probably get one for a hundredth of that if you can utter a proper "Allahu Akhbar".

[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/3ZhXByL.jpg[/imgw]

(That's the flag of the Lugansk People's Republic. Photo courtesy of Thomas Röper who made it a couple of days ago)

 

[Childlike Empress]

Alina Lipp reports that both the US Embassy in Kiev and the US Consulate in Odessa are abandoned. Sounds like the rats are leaving the sinking ship.

She also has some funny videos with two Aussie "Bushmaster" vehicles which really look like from another planet. Who comes up with junk like this? (edit: (videos on Telegram) looked a bit like this picture on wikipedia which is apparently from Iraq):

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Drones with an anti tank grenade can destroy a tank. Each Javelin costs about $136,000 each. Each HIMARS missile costs about $100,000 each.

Sure they can destroy tanks, but in most (all?) of the videos I've seen the tanks and other vehicles were apparently parked somewhere. While the footage of ATGM (especially Stugna) taking out tanks while they're moving is galore.

But still, I do think too that there is room for this type of drone weapon. And I too think it is a coming thing, for sure.

I am more wondering about what counter-measures will be developed.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

And what do you people think about this whole Russia-to-buy-Iranian-Drones anyway?

 

[Childlike Empress]

And what do you people think about this whole Russia-to-buy-Iranian-Drones anyway?

It's dull propaganda directly from the Biden regime. As if the Russians weren't able to manufacture anything the Iranians could think of (no offense to the Iranians, a really inventive folk).

 

[Craig4]

Not in Livitschansk. You can probably get one for a hundredth of that if you can utter a proper "Allahu Akhbar".

[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/3ZhXByL.jpg[/imgw]

(That's the flag of the Lugansk People's Republic. Photo courtesy of Thomas Röper who made it a couple of days ago)

There's no such country as the Lugansk People's Republic.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

She also has some funny videos with two Aussie "Bushmaster" vehicles which really look like from another planet. Who comes up with junk like this? (edit: (videos on Telegram) looked a bit like this picture on wikipedia which is apparently from Iraq):

Seriously, get yourself some better sources than that. Referring to videos in telegram channel is all nice and well. But then having to resort to posting Wikipedia images that are like what you saw? Let me help you out here:

- Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

- Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html

- Ukraine Weapons Tracker on Twitter
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons


More specifically:

The destroyed Bushmaster as documented on Oryx: https://i.postimg.cc/3NDHL10C/3328.png

The destroyed Bushmaster in a video on UAWeapons on Twitter: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1530538954524700678

From some Reddit channel pictures of the same vehicle now in an urban setting:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRus...ru_pov_bushmaster_armored_car_handed_over_by/

 

[Childlike Empress]

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Here is the link to Alina's videos of the laughable Australian "armored vehicles". https://t.me/neuesausrussland/8088. 179,700 views btw. The German-langage version you can find straight above has only 55,7 thousand views.

 

[Childlike Empress]

The destroyed Bushmaster in a video on UAWeapons on Twitter: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1530538954524700678

That's obviously a different engineering failure called "Bushmaster" as the two in Alina's recent videos.

 

[Craig4]

Next, let's talk about Russia's jack-in-the-box tanks. You know, the ones that blow their turrets 20 feet in the air when they get hit by US and NATO anti tank weapons.

 

[Klimax]

Ouch.

Yet another fantasy story. (That doesn't even make any sense nor has any evidence). Russian wet dreams don't count.

 

[a_unique_person]

Alina Lipp reports that both the US Embassy in Kiev and the US Consulate in Odessa are abandoned. Sounds like the rats are leaving the sinking ship.

She also has some funny videos with two Aussie "Bushmaster" vehicles which really look like from another planet. Who comes up with junk like this? (edit: (videos on Telegram) looked a bit like this picture on wikipedia which is apparently from Iraq):

That "junk" allowed it's crew to survive an IED.

 

[Andy_Ross]

That "junk" allowed it's crew to survive an IED.

Russian vehicles don't allow the crew to survive, that's why they are better.

 

[a_unique_person]

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Here is the link to Alina's videos of the laughable Australian "armored vehicles". https://t.me/neuesausrussland/8088. 179,700 views btw. The German-langage version you can find straight above has only 55,7 thousand views.

There's no point putting up those links. They insist on being opened in Telegram. I'm not going to give Putin my phone number.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Russian vehicles don't allow the crew to survive, that's why they are better.

The T72 will rapidly remove its entire turret in an emergency. That's one of the largest escape hatches provided on any armoured vehicle. Clearly better.

 

[Childlike Empress]

That "junk" allowed it's crew to survive an IED.

That's your assumption. We don't know. In the Donbass situation it seems like nobody did survive.

 

[Childlike Empress]

There's no point putting up those links. They insist on being opened in Telegram. I'm not going to give Putin my phone number.

I dislike this as well but with the "Silicon Valley" cartel censoring our speech, this is what it takes to follow real news about the Ukrainian conflict. There are pretty easy ways to use Telegram without giving your phone number, which everybody already has, to Satan or Hitler.