Merged The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

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dellarte said:
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Likewise, the Baháʼí .
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On the contrary, Islam is the only religion of peace in the world. There is only one God and he always sends only Islam. Look at the Holy Quran and not at what people practice in the name of Islam and you will see the truth. I said:

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Everyone is free to believe what they wish, according to Quran. This is the goal of the test world. To confront yourself.

Quran only allows a war of defense.

If you read the full of the verses, you will always see the struggle with the attackers in the defense battle.

Example;

2:190 Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.

2:191 Fight them wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. Do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them. Thus is the reward of those who do not appreciate.

2:192 If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

2:193 Fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

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Here again, He says, fight with the attackers.

But if you pull out a single verse. You make it look like saying the opposite.

And look at:

49:9 And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with the command of God. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.

As you can see saying, if the attackers are Muslims, stop them too.

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Baha'ism, on the other hand, is an extension of pagan spiritualism, a cult.

As spiritualism always does, it ascribes symbolic meanings to verses in the holy books, tweezes verses, ignores verses it does not like, and presents its own pantheistic polytheistic doctrine as if it were from the book. Satan's trap is always the same.

By the way, let me give you again my video where I explain the inside of spiritualism (Kabbalah, sufism, new age, hinduism, bahaism and all other pantheist/leftist pagan teachings have all been manifestations of spiritualism throughout history. by the way, christianity is a hybrid doctrine that is a mixture of islam and spiritualism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXA38GeVM6k
 
Emre_1974tr said:
On the contrary, Islam is the only religion of peace in the world.
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There is nothing peaceful about Islam. It says fighting is prescribed for Muslims
Surah 2.216

The Quran has many violent verses like 5.33 and 4.74 and 8.12
 
Emre_1974tr said:
If the aim was that earthquakes should never happen, God would not have created earthquakes. In the same way, if the aim was that diseases should never exist in this world, He would not have created disease. But we have immunity, natural remedies and many other things to fight disease, don't we?
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That is the direct opposite of the quote you provided from the Quran.

Make up your mind, please. Does Allah provide earthquakes, or did he prevent them. Can't be both.
 
Using the some of the stories in one fairy book in order to correct some of the stories in a different fairy book is inane, pointless and meritless, because both of the fairy books in question are actually fairy books.
 
Scorpion said:
There is nothing peaceful about Islam. It says fighting is prescribed for Muslims
Surah 2.216

The Quran has many violent verses like 5.33 and 4.74 and 8.12
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Plus, of course, the Sunni and Shia disagree as to which version of the true church is correct and try to wail the living daylights out of each other when ever they get the chance.

Religion of peace? Snicker.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Bible, a hadith book, says;

Job 26:11

"The pillars of the heavens will be shaken,
They are dumbfounded when He rebukes them."

But as is well known, space was built and expanded without pillars or columns.

Here again, the Holy Qur'an corrects the false Bible in the market by writing the truth;

Holy Quran:

31:10 He created the heavens without pillars or supports; you see them. And He placed on the earth weights and supports so that it would not shake you and make you stagger, and He spread therein all kinds of animals. And We sent down water from the sky, and there We caused every kind of generous and fruitful pair to flourish.

Peace be upon you.
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Little 10 Toes said:
I’ve been in an earthquake. This proves the Quran is false.
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Emre_1974tr said:
If the aim was that earthquakes should never happen, God would not have created earthquakes. In the same way, if the aim was that diseases should never exist in this world, He would not have created disease. But we have immunity, natural remedies and many other things to fight disease, don't we?

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But earthquakes do happen. And your holy book said God put weights down so earthquakes would not happen.

So either Allah/Mohammad are liars because weights were put down and there are earthquakes, or weights were not put down and there are earthquakes, or Mohammad who wrote the Quran put down the wrong thing and the Quran has a mistake, or Allah is powerless against earthquakes.
 
Most of the people in hell are poor people

Holy Quran 43:54 Thus he incited his people to levity, and they obeyed him: for, behold, they were people depraved!

In addition, some verses say that those who are oppressed in Hell curse their oppressors. In other words, there are more poor and oppressed people in hell than rich.

Because they were bad people and they suffered in the world too.

Holy Quran corrects the false Bible

Quran
7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


Not rich peoples, bad peoples go to hell.

Holy Quran is anticommunist book.

but Bible is a pagan communist book.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
Most of the people in hell are poor people

Holy Quran 43:54 Thus he incited his people to levity, and they obeyed him: for, behold, they were people depraved!

In addition, some verses say that those who are oppressed in Hell curse their oppressors. In other words, there are more poor and oppressed people in hell than rich.

Because they were bad people and they suffered in the world too.

Holy Quran corrects the false Bible

Quran
7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


Not rich peoples, bad peoples go to hell.

Holy Quran is anticommunist book.

but Bible is a pagan communist book.
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Wealth equates to virtue, huh?

Nice try, but I'm afraid the facists will never accept you as one of them.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
 
arthwollipot said:
This is Prosperity Gospel, translated into Arabic. God rewards piety with material wealth. Only the pious can be rich, and if someone's not rich, they're just not pious enough.
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On that basis, given that Emre_1974tr is purporting to teach us infidels the error of our ways, then (in order to be sure that we are not being led astray by a false prophet) It seems to me only fair that he provides us with a full breakdown of his financial worth (income and assets, &c), such that we can ascertain the spiritual value of his advice.
 
If most people in Islamic hell are poor, that's not much incentive to convert.

Suffer a poor life, die a poor man. Suffer an eternity after that?
No thanks. Not worth all the grovelling to Allah just to get crapped on.
 
junkshop said:
Wealth equates to virtue, huh?

Nice try, but I'm afraid the facists will never accept you as one of them.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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No, you just made that up. But halal wealth, health, happiness and spiritual wealth are usually a good sign. On the other hand, affliction and calamity are usually warnings, warnings against sin.

Pharaoh and Karun, the leaders of the society in the verse I gave, were very rich, but they were among the oppressors of hell. But the people they oppressed, the poor, tried to serve them and went to hell like them. So most of that society was made up of slaves/poor and oppressed people when they were destroyed. They all went to hell together.

By the way, you mentioned fascists.

Fascism = leftism

Mussolini was a notorious socialist.

Adolf Hitler was a notorious national socialist.

Fascism comes from pagan leftism.

Peace
 
Little 10 Toes said:
But earthquakes do happen. And your holy book said God put weights down so earthquakes would not happen.

So either Allah/Mohammad are liars because weights were put down and there are earthquakes, or weights were not put down and there are earthquakes, or Mohammad who wrote the Quran put down the wrong thing and the Quran has a mistake, or Allah is powerless against earthquakes.
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Why can't you answer this statement?
 
Emre_1974tr said:
junkshop said:
Wealth equates to virtue, huh?

Nice try, but I'm afraid the facists will never accept you as one of them.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
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No, you just made that up. But halal wealth, health, happiness and spiritual wealth are usually a good sign. On the other hand, affliction and calamity are usually warnings, warnings against sin.

Pharaoh and Karun, the leaders of the society in the verse I gave, were very rich, but they were among the oppressors of hell. But the people they oppressed, the poor, tried to serve them and went to hell like them. So most of that society was made up of slaves/poor and oppressed people when they were destroyed. They all went to hell together.

By the way, you mentioned fascists.

Fascism = leftism

Mussolini was a notorious socialist.

Adolf Hitler was a notorious national socialist.

Fascism comes from pagan leftism.

Peace
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Well, if you're going to claim that poverty, illness or other misfortune (your "affliction and calamity") are the result of "sin", then it surely follows that good fortune (including wealth) derives from, and is an indicator of, "virtue".

I did mention fascists, you're right in that statement. After that point? Less right. Much, much less right
 
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junkshop said:
Well, if you're going to claim that poverty, illness or other misfortune (your "affliction and calamity") are the result of "sin", then it surely follows that good fortune (including wealth) derives from, and is an indicator of, "virtue".
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No, even the worst people can have some good sides and they can get their reward in this world. For example, Pharaoh was a hellish tyrant, but he had some virtues and was rewarded with a period of luxury in this world. But as I said, he went to hell.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No, even the worst people can have some good sides and they can get their reward in this world. For example, Pharaoh was a hellish tyrant, but he had some virtues and was rewarded with a period of luxury in this world. But as I said, he went to hell.
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Which Pharoah was that, then? There were, after all, quite a lot of them.
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
I did:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13850979&postcount=1660
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No you didn't. Your link refers to post 1660. I am referring to post 1666.

Furthermore, your logic is broken. Let's review.

Post 1651:
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Holy Quran:

31:10 He created the heavens without pillars or supports; you see them. And He placed on the earth weights and supports so that it would not shake you and make you stagger, and He spread therein all kinds of animals. And We sent down water from the sky, and there We caused every kind of generous and fruitful pair to flourish.[snip]
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The Koran says Allah put weights on the earth so it would not shake.

I immediately post reply that I have lived through an earthquake. So this proves the Koran false. If there were weights to it from shaking, why does the earth shake? Either Allah has lied or Mohammad has lied.

You're reply is the next post, 1660:
Emre_1974tr said:
If the aim was that earthquakes should never happen, God would not have created earthquakes. [snip]
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Let's treat this as a math equation. Let's remove the negative and replace it with the positive.

If the aim was that earthquakes should happen, Allah would have created earthquakes.

Allah created earthquakes so earthquakes happen.

But you Erme_1974 previously said that the Koran states Allah put weights on the earth so earthquakes don't happen.

But they do happen, even though the Koran states they shouldn't.

I point it out at post 1666:
Little 10 Toes said:
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So either Allah/Mohammad are liars because weights were put down and there are earthquakes, or weights were not put down and there are earthquakes, or Mohammad who wrote the Quran put down the wrong thing and the Quran has a mistake, or Allah is powerless against earthquakes.
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I will ask you to reply to my statement.

So either Allah/Mohammad are liars because weights were put down and there are earthquakes, or weights were not put down and there are earthquakes, or Mohammad who wrote the Quran put down the wrong thing and the Quran has a mistake, or Allah is powerless against earthquakes.

Which one of these statements are wrong?
 
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