The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Wow! This is damning testimony. They're on the last witnesses and it's horrible what this family (daughter, mother, grandmother) went through thanks to Drumpf and Giuliani's selfish bid to keep 45 in power.
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It's truly maddening to see the disinformed masses unleashed on volunteers who donated their time and effort to make democracy happen.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Wow! This is damning testimony. It shows just how hard Drumpf and his cult tried to keep him in power, how they all harassed people, threatened them, coerced them to break the law... much worse than I imagined.

They're on the last witnesses and it's horrible what this family (daughter, mother, grandmother) went through thanks to Drumpf and Giuliani's selfish bid to keep 45 in power.

Biden should offer these people secret service protection. They deserve it more than Drumpf's kids.

Cheney is pointing out how cowardly Drumpf's minions have been refusing to answer the committee's questions.
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I agree. I knew it was bad but it's even worse than I thought. But idiot Magats will still cling to their support and adoration of that pig.
 
Such damming testimony. I can't wait to see it... totally not matter and they all walk and probably try again (maybe even successfully) in 2024.
 
I didn't think I could detest Trump, Giuliani and his other minions any more than I already did, but after watching today, I do.

Shame on anyone who still supports him.
 
I heard nothing new today, for example everything Raffensperger and Sterling said they already said publicly before this; i think the difference for me today was hearing it laid out all at once and concisely. I knew Ruby Freeman's story but this was the first time I've heard her speak in person--that was powerful because it showed how the most powerful man on the planet didn't lose a second of sleep in destroying a woman's life when she was just being the 'patriot' so many claim to be.

The fact that T will never apologize to her or any of the other countless people whose lives he destroyed tells you everything you need to know about the man.

And the fact that the GOP remains loyal to him tells you all you need to know about the current state of the GOP.
 
stanfr said:
I heard nothing new today, for example everything Raffensperger and Sterling said they already said publicly before this; i think the difference for me today was hearing it laid out all at once and concisely. I knew Ruby Freeman's story but this was the first time I've heard her speak in person--that was powerful because it showed how the most powerful man on the planet didn't lose a second of sleep in destroying a woman's life when she was just being the 'patriot' so many claim to be.

The fact that T will never apologize to her or any of the other countless people whose lives he destroyed tells you everything you need to know about the man.

And the fact that the GOP remains loyal to him tells you all you need to know about the current state of the GOP.
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Basic facts are not new, but the details are.And they are damning.
 
d4m10n said:
It's truly maddening to see the disinformed masses unleashed on volunteers who donated their time and effort to make democracy happen.
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And that is the whole idea... to unleash the MAGA morons on honest volunteers, thereby dissuading them from volunteering next time... so that it leaves "others" to volunteer in their place... and its not hard to guess who those"others" will be, and who they support.
 
Ron Johnson

Um that's not a good look. Or particularly clever - he must have known that attempting to pass fake slates of Wisconsin and Michigan electors to Pence was probably going to fail and get discovered as well.
 
jimbob said:
Ron Johnson

Um that's not a good look. Or particularly clever - he must have known that attempting to pass fake slates of Wisconsin and Michigan electors to Pence was probably going to fail and get discovered as well.
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I am not so sure about that. Johnson has never struck me as being the brightest bulb on the planet.I honestly think he though he could do it and not get discovered.
 
smartcooky said:
And that is the whole idea... to unleash the MAGA morons on honest volunteers, thereby dissuading them from volunteering next time... so that it leaves "others" to volunteer in their place... and its not hard to guess who those"others" will be, and who they support.
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And I have decided for along time it is time to fight fire with fire.
If the GOP get violent, the supporters of democracy have no choice but to respond in kind. Only thing turning the cheek gets you in this world is two bruised cheeks.If they swing at you, swing back at them. I wish it was not like it, but that is the way it is.
People in the US might soon be forced to choose between their freedom and their pacifism.
 
Mike Pence says no president in his lifetime has lied as often as Joe Biden. Um...
Kudlow (yes, 'the Lehman Brothers won't collapse' guy): “Have you ever seen a president who refuses to accept blame, and I want to add to that, commits so many falsehoods? I’m being very polite here, calling it falsehoods – falsehoods, you know, on any given day. He’s out there saying stuff that just ain’t true. Have you ever seen anything like that?”

Pence: “Never in my lifetime. I said today that there has never been a time in my life where a president was more disconnected from the American people than we see today.”
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From the same link:
Drumpf: “I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.”
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:rolleyes:
 
smartcooky said:
It seems that a number of McCarthy's colleagues think he stuffed up badly in the way he handled the situation as regards Republican participation in the investigation. I posted earlier, in another thread, about how he had two opportunities to make sure he had his people in the picture, and spurned both of them. Well now, that plan seems to have come back and bit him on the arse.

Links to full articles at the bottom, but to summarize, his "toys out of the cot" tantrum has resulted in Republicans being completely in the dark about what the Committee was learning, and what documents, texts and other communications they had gotten their hands on. GOP effectively didn't know what the Committee had, so

- they were unable to prepare any public defences for Trump.
- they could not influence the direction of the investigation.
- there has been no-one there to ask contrary questions during public or private proceedings.
- no possibility of leaking any information or evidence.
- no way to dilute the panel’s findings in advance of a final report (expected in September).
- there have been no GOP allies to try to throw spanners in the works during the public presentations

This has resulted in the Committee being able to deliver to the public a seamless, very compelling and uninterrupted presentation, most importantly, without the usual grandstanding, ego-tripping and partisan bickering we usually see at these kinds of hearings. Additionally, we don't have politically motivated politicians using their five minutes to indulge in their "go to" disruption tactics of attacking the credibility of witnesses, asking them irrelevant questions they don't really want the answers to, and not giving them the chance to answer (Gym Jordan, Ron Paul and Mat Gaetz, I'm looking at you), a tactic that usually resulted the Chairman having to give additional uninterrupted time to the witnesses so that they could answer.

Probably even worse for McCarthy, he's even getting some blowback from The Fat Orange Turd.

From the Washington Post article:
McCarthy thought that by walking away entirely, he would be able to discredit the work of the Committee as 'partisan'

Bad call. With none of his allies there to throw sand into the gears, the committee — which still included two Republicans, Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois — was able to organize a seamless presentation. Cheney has played a star role, and mostly Republican witnesses are telling the story.

And without disruption, the committee has also been able to look at what role Republican members of Congress may have played in the day’s events.​

From the MSNBC Article:
"Yesterday, Donald Trump went considerably further. 'Unfortunately, a bad decision was made', the former president said during a radio interview. He added that it 'was a bad decision not to have representation on that Committee. That was a very, very foolish decision.'

In the same interview, Trump, looking ahead to the possibility of a House Republican majority, insisted that he hasn’t endorsed anyone in the race for Speaker.​


Looks like Kevin "Spineless" McCarthy will be needing to make another trip south to Mar-A-Lardo to kiss the arse of his naked Emperor!!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ccarthy-for-making-jan-6-hearings-worthwhile/

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...eeling-gop-heat-misstep-jan-6-probe-rcna34379
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At this point you have wonder if Cheeto Mussolini has decided that McCarthy is worthless and will throw him to the wolves.
 
Seeing a clip of Ivanka's testimony I think it's clear that she used some sort of blur/beauty filter to hide any skin imperfections.
 
smartcooky said:
... "toys out of the cot" tantrum has resulted in Republicans being completely in the dark about what the Committee was learning, and what documents, texts and other communications they had gotten their hands on. GOP effectively didn't know what the Committee had, so

- they were unable to prepare any public defences for Trump.
- they could not influence the direction of the investigation.
- there has been no-one there to ask contrary questions during public or private proceedings.
- no possibility of leaking any information or evidence.
- no way to dilute the panel’s findings in advance of a final report (expected in September).
- there have been no GOP allies to try to throw spanners in the works during the public presentations​
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They didn't need to know what the committee had, it wasn't hard to guess by who had been called to testify and by what has been leaked.

They could not have done anything different on that list as all they have to respond is to lie more.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
They didn't need to know what the committee had, it wasn't hard to guess by who had been called to testify and by what has been leaked.

They could not have done anything different on that list as all they have to respond is to lie more.
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Yes and no. Some are obvious. Some are not - such as the tapes from the documentary filmmaker that was following Trump around since September 2020. I seriously doubt Trump knows who or what is on those tapes. The House committee is asking for those tapes now.
 
slyjoe said:
Yes and no. Some are obvious. Some are not - such as the tapes from the documentary filmmaker that was following Trump around since September 2020. I seriously doubt Trump knows who or what is on those tapes. The House committee is asking for those tapes now.
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OK, let's take that example. You are on team Drumpf because you know he can't deal with this without making it worse. Drumpf had a documentary being filmed because as a team Drumpf member you know he can't help himself if someone is going to shine a camera spotlight on him. Not hard to guess what was caught on those tapes.

This is no brainer stuff, Drumpf is soooo predictable.

They got no response because Drumpf along with his team are guilty as sin. And this is a typical Drumpf excuse: it wasn't fair, it was one sided wahhh wahhh wahhh. It was all prosecution and no defense because there is no defense for what they did.

Proof: Drumpf and his team have no response now and they have seen a lot of the evidence already. What's stopping them?
 
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Here's a question: Why haven't some of the officials falsely accused of vote fraud by Trump, Giuliani and others sued for defamation? Today's testimony by an election worker whose life was turned upside down when Trump called her a scammer by name was absolutely heartbreaking. I'm sure there are lawyers who would take the case on contingency, if not just for the publicity. So far, no one at the top has paid the slightest price for trying overthrow the government.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sha...their-lies-about-fraud-in-the-2020-election-2
 
Bob001 said:
Here's a question: Why haven't some of the officials falsely accused of vote fraud by Trump, Giuliani and others sued for defamation? Today's testimony by an election worker whose life was turned upside down when Trump called her a scammer by name was absolutely heartbreaking. I'm sure there are lawyers who would take the case on contingency, if not just for the publicity. So far, no one at the top has paid the slightest price for trying overthrow the government.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sha...their-lies-about-fraud-in-the-2020-election-2
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It may yet happen.

Firstly, these people have been focussed on testifying before the committee.

Secondly, if I was on that committee, I would most definitely have asked any participating witness that might be thinking about suing Trump and/or others, not to do so, because that may have compomised their investigation. Information could have come out in the lawsuit that the committee might not have wanted to come out yet.

Once the hearings are over, and the report comes out in September, we could see a flurry of lawsuits.
 
Bob001 said:
Here's a question: Why haven't some of the officials falsely accused of vote fraud by Trump, Giuliani and others sued for defamation? Today's testimony by an election worker whose life was turned upside down when Trump called her a scammer by name was absolutely heartbreaking. I'm sure there are lawyers who would take the case on contingency, if not just for the publicity. So far, no one at the top has paid the slightest price for trying overthrow the government.
https://www.businessinsider.com/sha...their-lies-about-fraud-in-the-2020-election-2
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Moss and Freeman can't sue because the Orange Turd made his accusations while he was still POTUS:

"In a 5–4 decision, the Court ruled that the President is entitled to absolute immunity from legal liability for civil damages based on his official acts. The Court, however, emphasized that the President is not immune from criminal charges stemming from his official or unofficial acts while he is in office."
Nixon v. Fitzgerald

Defamation is a civil, not a criminal, tort.
 
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