The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Looks as if John Eastman is headed for a criminal indictment from what the commitee has presented.
 
dudalb said:
Looks as if John Eastman is headed for a criminal indictment from what the commitee has presented.
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Eastman looks like a bigger douche here than Trump, almost?

I mean, it is clear to me that he wasn't too stupid to know that what he was saying/promoting was wrong. Whereas, at least with Trump, there is always that suspicion.
 
I would not say that, but Eastman is headed for court.
As for Trump, he has to bear the basic responsbility for Jan 6th. He could have stopped it with one word,but he did not.
The question is DId Trump know how far his followers would go ? If he did, and did not stop them, thenhe bears full reponsiblity.
 
newyorkguy said:
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They've been criticized for not 'doing more.' Namely, going public when their boss, trump, wouldn't listen to them. I feel that criticism is kind of unfair.
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No it is not unfair. We are a year and a half from the election and Drumpf is still gaslighting the country. They've had a year and a half to come forward. Why haven't they?

newyorkguy said:
....It took courage for them just to tell the boss something he didn't want to hear. It would have been a lot safer to just tell him, "Yes, mr. president, I agree with you." But to their credit they told him what they thought to be the truth. If you've ever been in that position -- an arrogant and demanding boss -- telling him what he DOESN'T want to hear is tough. But to then "go public?" I don't see that as being advisable.

First of all, it's not their responsibility to inform the public.
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Under the circumstances yes it was.


newyorkguy said:
.... Staff people usually believe in a certain amount of confidentiality. If they had leaked it -- we're trying to tell him but he won't listen! -- and they were identified they're not only certain to be fired, their career is probably going up in flames. Most of these people have families and they have to protect their ability to earn a living. If they were identified, they'd have also probably been at physical risk. They would quite possibly have begun getting death threats, along with their family members. (Example: Dr. Anthony Fauci's KIDS had to have police protection.)
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And you think that's better than throwing the whole country under the bus? Like Barr, stick around incase the gravy train keeps rolling. But when you are sure it's not or you just can't stay on it, then get off and claim you thought you could have more influence if you stayed on. :rolleyes:

newyorkguy said:
....And you know what? At the end of the day it wouldn't have made any difference. So a White House attorney says "I told the president," so what? Everyone already knew trump was locked into claiming fraud in an obvious attempt to subvert the will of the American people.
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Define "everyone".

They could have gotten together. They could have reported anonymously to the press. Someone in the SC did just that. These are not normal times.
 
dudalb said:
I would not say that, but Eastman is headed for court.
As for Trump, he has to bear the basic responsbility for Jan 6th. He could have stopped it with one word,but he did not.
The question is DId Trump know how far his followers would go ? If he did, and did not stop them, thenhe bears full reponsiblity.
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If he doesn't know how crazy his Followers were he should never have been even Near the Oval Office.
 
dudalb said:
Forgive me if I think you just plain don't like Americans, and have not for a long time before Trump.
And I have to note there a strong dislike and at times hatred of the US has been popular on the Canadian Left for some time. At times I think it goes back to the Empire Loyalists....
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I figured you'd take exception to my missive.

I've written before that there is much I admire about Americans. I'm just disgusted by the less savory aspects of American society. Fundamentally, toxic capitalism and the base worship of money above all else is sickening.

And of late, the rapid descent into madness that can too easily result in Autocracy scares me and hence makes me just plain angry.

Because when the US sneezes the world catches cold. The US losing its democracy would be calamitous for us all.

So get used to the rest of the world slagging y'all, until sanity returns. Hopefully.
 
Lurch said:
I figured you'd take exception to my missive.

I've written before that there is much I admire about Americans. I'm just disgusted by the less savory aspects of American society. Fundamentally, toxic capitalism and the base worship of money above all else is sickening.
And of late, the rapid descent into madness that can too easily result in Autocracy scares me and hence makes me just plain angry.
Because when the US sneezes the world catches cold. The US losing its democracy would be calamitous for us all. So get used to the rest of the world slagging y'all, until sanity returns. Hopefully.
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I have to agree with you on this... and I'm American. I've never been less proud of my country than in the last 6 years.
 
newyorkguy said:
Raw Story dot com had an interview with Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) of the House Select Committee investigating Jan. 6th. Raskin told Raw Story that through testimony and documents the Committee has established that the following were telling trump the same thing, that it was over. He lost the election.



They've been criticized for not 'doing more.' Namely, going public when their boss, trump, wouldn't listen to them. I feel that criticism is kind of unfair.

It took courage for them just to tell the boss something he didn't want to hear. It would have been a lot safer to just tell him, "Yes, mr. president, I agree with you." But to their credit they told him what they thought to be the truth. If you've ever been in that position -- an arrogant and demanding boss -- telling him what he DOESN'T want to hear is tough. But to then "go public?" I don't see that as being advisable.
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Yes, absolutely.

I once refused to sigh for a repair on an aircraft because I was unhappy with the condition of a component being used - a hydraulic valve. My boss, an inexperienced engineering officer, ordered me to sign for it. I still refused - I predicted it would fail, I told him how it was going to fail, and that it would do so in a very short time-frame. He didn't believe me so he got someone else to inspect and sign for the work.

That hydraulic valve failed on the first flight after the repair. Even though my prediction was accurate, and I was vindicated, my refusal to sign cost me two years of frozen promotion for not obeying the orders of a superior officer. That is the type of consequences you can face for speaking truth to a superior who doesn't want to hear it!

newyorkguy said:
First of all, it's not their responsibility to inform the public. Staff people usually believe in a certain amount of confidentiality. If they had leaked it -- we're trying to tell him but he won't listen! -- and they were identified they're not only certain to be fired, their career is probably going up in flames. Most of these people have families and they have to protect their ability to earn a living. If they were identified, they'd have also probably been at physical risk. They would quite possibly have begun getting death threats, along with their family members. (Example: Dr. Anthony Fauci's KIDS had to have police protection.)
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You only have to see how Lt.Col. Alex Vindman was treated to see what happened to you when you told a truth that conflicted with Trump's lies, not to mention the death threats he and his brother received, as well as death threats against everyone from the lowest election workers to highly ranked election officials such as Brad Raffensperger and Gabriel Sterling
 
But wait... there's more!!!

https://thehill.com/homenews/3525557-ginni-thomas-emailed-with-john-eastman-report/

"Virginia (Ginni) Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, emailed with Trump campaign lawyer John Eastman in correspondence obtained by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021"

"Thomas" attempts to overturn the election results have drawn fierce criticism from Democrats. The (Washington) Post reported on Friday that Thomas emailed 29 Arizona state lawmakers to help reverse President Biden’s win in the state.

"Thomas’s involvement in the efforts has raised ethical questions over her husband’s role in deciding cases related to the election and Jan. 6. Justice Thomas has argued his decisions are entirely separate from his wife’s activism."​

Clarence Thomas' position on SCOTUS is fast becoming untenable, if it isn't already. His lone dissenting vote in SCOTUS' order rejecting The Fat Orange Turd's bid to withhold documents from the January 6 panel now come into even sharper focus than before. Because of the likelihood that his wife is deeply involved in the criminal efforts of the The Fat Orange Turd and his minions' to overturn the election. At a minimum, Thomas must now recuse himself from ALL matters relating to January 6.
 
smartcooky said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/3525557-ginni-thomas-emailed-with-john-eastman-report/

"Virginia (Ginni) Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, emailed with Trump campaign lawyer John Eastman in correspondence obtained by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021"

"Thomas" attempts to overturn the election results have drawn fierce criticism from Democrats. The (Washington) Post reported on Friday that Thomas emailed 29 Arizona state lawmakers to help reverse President Biden’s win in the state.

"Thomas’s involvement in the efforts has raised ethical questions over her husband’s role in deciding cases related to the election and Jan. 6. Justice Thomas has argued his decisions are entirely separate from his wife’s activism."​

Clarence Thomas' position on SCOTUS is fast becoming untenable, if it isn't already. His lone dissenting vote in SCOTUS' order rejecting The Fat Orange Turd's bid to withhold documents from the January 6 panel now come into even sharper focus than before. Because of the likelihood that his wife is deeply involved in the criminal efforts of the The Fat Orange Turd and his minions' to overturn the election. At a minimum, Thomas must now recuse himself from ALL matters relating to January 6.
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This is heating up. In newly released emails between Eastman and another Trump lawyer, they discuss (1) explosive moments behind the scenes at SCOTUS prior to Jan 6 and (2) the benefits of turbulence in order to influence SCOTUS.

Talking heads (and I) wonder if Ginny Thomas was feeding behind-the-scenes info to Eastman.
 
smartcooky said:
https://thehill.com/homenews/3525557-ginni-thomas-emailed-with-john-eastman-report/

"Virginia (Ginni) Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, emailed with Trump campaign lawyer John Eastman in correspondence obtained by the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021"

"Thomas" attempts to overturn the election results have drawn fierce criticism from Democrats. The (Washington) Post reported on Friday that Thomas emailed 29 Arizona state lawmakers to help reverse President Biden’s win in the state.

"Thomas’s involvement in the efforts has raised ethical questions over her husband’s role in deciding cases related to the election and Jan. 6. Justice Thomas has argued his decisions are entirely separate from his wife’s activism."​

Clarence Thomas' position on SCOTUS is fast becoming untenable, if it isn't already. His lone dissenting vote in SCOTUS' order rejecting The Fat Orange Turd's bid to withhold documents from the January 6 panel now come into even sharper focus than before. Because of the likelihood that his wife is deeply involved in the criminal efforts of the The Fat Orange Turd and his minions' to overturn the election. At a minimum, Thomas must now recuse himself from ALL matters relating to January 6.
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Only if ethics applied to the supreme court, as it does not he is all good.
 
varwoche said:
This is heating up. In newly released emails between Eastman and another Trump lawyer, they discuss (1) explosive moments behind the scenes at SCOTUS prior to Jan 6 and (2) the benefits of turbulence in order to influence SCOTUS.

Talking heads (and I) wonder if Ginny Thomas was feeding behind-the-scenes info to Eastman.
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What? A leak in SCOTUS... shock, horror. who knew

Someone leaks Justice Alito's draft opinion paper on Roe v Wade to the press?

Justice Roberts is outraged - "The leak of a draft opinion that would strike down Roe v. Wade is absolutely appalling"

Republican lawmakers are outraged "There was a monumental betrayal of the Supreme Court this week. The person who leaked the draft opinion should be fired"

Fox News are outraged "Make no mistake, this is an insurrection against the Supreme Court"


Ginni Thomas leaks inside information about SCOTUS behind the scenes to Trump lawyer John Eastman
Justice Roberts....
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Republican lawmakers...
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Faux News...
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Don't remember where I saw the article in the last couple of days, but Ginni Thomas was once in a cult, and became an active anti-cult activist. She was apparently quite good at it. She even said she had tendencies that drew her to cults. This may explain why she was drawn into the Trump cult.
 
varwoche said:
This is heating up. In newly released emails between Eastman and another Trump lawyer, they discuss (1) explosive moments behind the scenes at SCOTUS prior to Jan 6 and (2) the benefits of turbulence in order to influence SCOTUS.

Talking heads (and I) wonder if Ginny Thomas was feeding behind-the-scenes info to Eastman.
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I failed to mention, Eastman clerked for Thomas.
 
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