Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

[ponderingturtle]

I like the implication that white people being subjected to "death threats for being racist" somehow makes society a worse place than our long and hallowed tradition of black people being subjected to "death by racist".

We can all be glad that at least Emmett Till wasn't canceled for whistling at a white woman. Imagine how horrible that would have been.

 

[Thermal]

Wow that's a deep cut from your "Why didn't the black man just run faster?" catalogue to bring up with no point except to absolutely prove the other side's point.

We are trying to discourage trolling on the forum. Please stop. It upsets some posters greatly.

Society has always worked that way if you're the "right" kind of person is literally the whole point.

The whole point is that you used to have to be significant and influential to effect someone's life, and most people would shrug it off as a rumor anyway, if they were privy to have heard it at all. Now, any rando can ruin lives with an out of context video and an embellished narrative.

Technology has turned whispering between a few people to international attention. It may be an old game, but the stakes are so much higher now that it is essentially a new cultural phenomenon.

Is there anything you ever did in your past that if caught on video today and blasted on Twitter, would have ruined your life in today's world? That's the difference.

Eta: oh, and be permanenently searchable on Google when you meet a new person or apply for a job?

 

[johnny karate]

We are trying to discourage trolling on the forum. Please stop. It upsets some posters greatly.



The whole point is that you used to have to be significant and influential to effect someone's life, and most people would shrug it off as a rumor anyway, if they were privy to have heard it at all. Now, any rando can ruin lives with an out of context video and an embellished narrative.

Technology has turned whispering between a few people to international attention. It may be an old game, but the stakes are so much higher now that it is essentially a new cultural phenomenon.

Is there anything you ever did in your past that if caught on video today and blasted on Twitter, would have ruined your life in today's world? That's the difference.

Don’t do dumb **** in front of the whole world is an option available to all of us.

 

[EaglePuncher]

LOl, the "lifes were ruined" lie again.

 

[Thermal]

Don’t do dumb **** in front of the whole world is an option available to all of us.

Serious question: did you ever do dumb **** when you were younger, or maybe drunk? Did video evidence follow you forever, accessible right in every stranger's hand? Those of us who grew up without cameras all around remember young foolishness. Are you really exempt from that?

 

[EaglePuncher]

One could, of course, I know this sounds totally crazy, but one could just not do dumb ****..

 

[wareyin]

Serious question: did you ever do dumb **** when you were younger, or maybe drunk? Did video evidence follow you forever, accessible right in every stranger's hand? Those of us who grew up without cameras all around remember young foolishness. Are you really exempt from that?

That reminds me of the defence Madison Cawthorne was using when video came out of him nakedly humping his male cousin's face while said cousin was apparently passed out drunk. Like, 'you know how many other people have done this before cell phones' is such a stupid defense when...no, I've never done it, never seen it done, never heard of it having been done, etc

Yeah, who among us hasn't is really only effective among the people who have done stupid stuff like that.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Like I can't make my point better than the anti-cancel culture side is making it.

"You just can't by racist anymore without suffering some sort of social consequence!"

I know, it's great.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Well that backfired and now someone is going to make this thread about them.

Let's watch.

 

[johnny karate]

Serious question: did you ever do dumb **** when you were younger, or maybe drunk? Did video evidence follow you forever, accessible right in every stranger's hand? Those of us who grew up without cameras all around remember young foolishness. Are you really exempt from that?

You seem to be conflating two issues.

Are we talking about dumb drunk teenager stuff being caught on video and resurfacing years later (which I'm not aware is some kind of life-ruining scourge)?

Or are we talking about entitled white people actively participating in the global advertising of their own entitlement and finding out the hard way that can have consequences?

 

[JoeMorgue]

That reminds me of the defence Madison Cawthorne was using when video came out of him nakedly humping his male cousin's face while said cousin was apparently passed out drunk. Like, 'you know how many other people have done this before cell phones' is such a stupid defense when...no, I've never done it, never seen it done, never heard of it having been done, etc

Yeah, who among us hasn't is really only effective among the people who have done stupid stuff like that.

I remember that during that whole weird little mini-epidemic of old photos of people in blackface kept popping up and that was they first excused they tried and I was "No. I'm a white dude from the South and I cannot put into words how easy it was to never do black face, like it wasn't even hard."

 

[johnny karate]

That reminds me of the defence Madison Cawthorne was using when video came out of him nakedly humping his male cousin's face while said cousin was apparently passed out drunk. Like, 'you know how many other people have done this before cell phones' is such a stupid defense when...no, I've never done it, never seen it done, never heard of it having been done, etc

Yeah, who among us hasn't is really only effective among the people who have done stupid stuff like that.

And not to mention the fact that that didn't have anything to so with ending his career. Establishment Republicans had already decided to end his career and the leaked video and photos were all just part of a humiliation campaign to rub salt in the wound.

No one actually cared all that much that he was caught on video doing dumb drunk stuff.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And this is a very core part of mythology that the the hateful are going to use, the idea that achieving a base level of good is just soooooooooooooo hard that

A) You can't really do it
B) Everyone claiming to do it is lying, hiding some horrible secret, or deep down inside just as horrible as you are and the important thing is to expose them.

"There's no point in trying because it will never be good enough for woke librul Twitter, therefore just be an *******."

 

[wareyin]

I remember that during that whole weird little mini-epidemic of old photos of people in blackface kept popping up and that was they first excused they tried and I was "No. I'm a white dude from the South and I cannot put into words how easy it was to never do black face, like it wasn't even hard."

It is a bit telling, isn't it.

The whole 'you can't punish someone for having done something bad just because you have evidence for it' just sounds like that person saying 'hey, I used to do that all the time, too!' or at least 'hey, the bad decisions that person makes should have no bearing on whether or not we allow them to be in a position where their decisions have serious consequences for us all.'

 

[JoeMorgue]

That's why people who are wrong are so hyperfocused with "hypocrisy" and finding it everywhere they can.

It's just "You aren't perfect, therefore you can't even acknowledge that I'm absolutely horrible" and it fits into that "Deep down inside everyone is just as horrible as me yet through insane troll logic I'm somehow better because at least I admit it" thing they love so much.

 

[wareyin]

And not to mention the fact that that didn't have anything to so with ending his career. Establishment Republicans had already decided to end his career and the leaked video and photos were all just part of a humiliation campaign to rub salt in the wound.

No one actually cared all that much that he was caught on video doing dumb drunk stuff.

I wasn't in NC, so I didn't get the 'man on the street' take. But I do know that being anti-gay was a big part of his persona, and that sort of stuff does turn off the anti-gay types.

I don't know how big a part the establishment Reps played in Cawthorne narrowly losing his primary.

 

[Thermal]

You seem to be conflating two issues.

Are we talking about dumb drunk teenager stuff being caught on video and resurfacing years later (which I'm not aware is some kind of life-ruining scourge)?

Or are we talking about entitled white people actively participating in the global advertising of their own entitlement and finding out the hard way that can have consequences?

There's no conflating anything. You point out two extremes of the same spectrum. Like any subject, the extremes will be different than the mass effect. My concern with what we call Cancel Culture is the extent of invasive technology. Used unscrupulously, say by someone who wants to embellish the tale a bit to go viral, there is a ready and waiting uncritical worldwide audience. That's no bueno.

 

[wareyin]

There's no conflating anything. You point out two extremes of the same spectrum. Like any subject, the extremes will be different than the mass effect. My concern with what we call Cancel Culture is the extent of invasive technology. Used unscrupulously, say by someone who wants to embellish the tale a bit to go viral, there is a ready and waiting uncritical worldwide audience. That's no bueno.

Embellishment like 'barreling through the poor little white lady like a linebacker'?

 

[Thermal]

Embellishment like 'barreling through the poor little white lady like a linebacker'?

No sweetie. That's a simple use of colorful expression that changes nothing of consequence, that any non-idiot adult would understand without considering it a gotcha.

 

[wareyin]

No sweetie. That's a simple use of colorful expression that changes nothing of consequence, that any non-idiot adult would understand without considering it a gotcha.