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The Roe Countdown

When will Roe v Wade be overturned

  • Before 31 December 2020

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Before 31 December 2022

    Votes: 27 24.8%

  • Before 31 December 2024

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • SCOTUS will not pick a case up

    Votes: 16 14.7%

  • SCOTUS will pick it up and decline to overturn

    Votes: 37 33.9%
  • Total voters
    109
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Another study:

NPR: Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion? A global map offers insights
[difficult to measure when illegal abortions are hidden] Nevertheless, for the past two decades scientists at the World Health Organization and the Guttmacher Institute have been developing tools to estimate abortion rates around the globe. Both institutions support abortion rights for people worldwide. This past February, they published, for the first time, abortion rates for nearly every country. And they've also updated their analysis looking at how abortion rates vary across regions of the world – and whether the legality of the procedure is associated with those rates.
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Findings:
In countries where abortion is broadly legal, there are between 36 and 47 abortions performed annually per 1,000 women, ages 15 to 49. And what about in countries where abortions are prohibited altogether? "In these countries, there are between 31 and 51 abortions annually per 1,000 women, on average," Bearak says.
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So very little difference. And most certainly making abortions illegal is not the best way to actually reduce the number of abortions.

But the anti-choice people have heard that. They ignore the facts. They are bent on passing laws that hurt women but make the anti-abortion people feel good.
 
It is more important to them to punish women and their doctors for daring, than to actually reduce abortions. Not too different from people that want to punish criminals more than they want to reduce crime.
 
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gnome said:
It is more important to them to punish women and their doctors for daring, than to actually reduce abortions. Not too different from people that want to punish criminals more than they want to reduce crime.
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No, just no. I don't think that is comparable at all. Sorry, maybe your intent was different than how that analogy sounds.

Of course if you are talking about funding Head Start and other preschool programs, helping people get out of poverty and whatnot, then OK, that is a good analogy.
 
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No, just no. I don't think that is comparable at all. Sorry, maybe your intent was different than how that analogy sounds.

Of course if you are talking about funding Head Start and other preschool programs, helping people get out of poverty and whatnot, then OK, that is a good analogy.
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I'm not sure where we're disagreeing here. I think that is what I mean.
 
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This is a made up case but this it is something that will happen.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534226240705597440.html

A 20-year-old patient presents to your ER with vomiting. They tell you they drank pennyroyal tea to induce an abortion because they did not have access to any safe/legal options.

A brief thread on ☠️PENNYROYAL TOXICITY☠️ and its management 🧵:
Pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium) is a plant that has a pleasant mintlike🍬 odor. It has been used historically as an abortifacient for centuries. The plant can be concentrated into an oil called pennyroyal oil. The plant, and especially the oil, contain the toxin ☠️PULEGONE☠️.

PULEGONE gets metabolized by the body to form toxins (e.g., menthofuran) that cause CENTRILOBULAR HEPATIC NECROSIS (tylenol toxicity also does this). Studies have shown that pulegone can also cause lung necrosis🫁and can interfere with potassium channels in the heart❤️*🩹.

Symptoms of pennyroyal toxicity include vomiting🤮, abdominal pain, seizures, coma, liver failure, kidney failure, & death.😢

People have had symptoms with just 5mL of pennyroyal and death has been reported with 15mL. Toxicity has even been reported after drinking tea.🍵


Treatment is supportive care. Although there's no specific antidote, I believe it is reasonable to give these patients N-acetylcysteine (the tylenol antidote) because of the similarities to tylenol toxicity (centrilobular hepatic necrosis + glutathione depletion).


This case is made up BUT there are definitely cases of patients taking pennyroyal to induce abortion. Given the current political climate and abundance of medical misinformation out there (see pic below), we need to be prepared for anything so that we can best treat our patients.

[imgw=340]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUqn5ioWUAM5CC7.jpg[/imgw]]


Roe v Wade must not be overturned. I fear that if it is, we will see a rise in unsafe abortions that will lead to people getting hurt/dying.

Further reading: Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies 11th edition, PMID 1686249, 7157374, 8909490, 2891472, 22004607, 8633832
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This is not going to be pre Roe v. Wade levels of bad but people will die because of the Dobbs decision.
 
Roe v Wade must not be overturned. I fear that if it is, we will see a rise in unsafe abortions that will lead to people getting hurt/dying.
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The irony of this statement is off the charts.
 
The map from this article is a horror. It will get worse by turning into a federal ban if Republicans grab power, though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-06-14/if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-texas-abortion-ban-is-new-reality-for-us

Belle’s ability to access care came down to chance, timing and money. About one in three women aren’t even aware they’re pregnant before six weeks, meaning the clock runs out before they know it’s started.


In the same city, Jane, a student from Honduras in her late 20s, had more stacked against her. Texas law requires at least two appointments with the same physician, 24 hours apart, to get an abortion. Taking that time would have meant losing her job — plus she didn’t have the money. Jane would end up breaking state law by getting a friend to mail her abortion medication. She terminated her pregnancy just after six weeks.


Should the Supreme Court overturn Roe v. Wade in coming weeks, as expected, Belle and Jane’s experiences are a harbinger of what’s to come across the US. Twenty-six American states are set to ban or severely restrict abortion if the landmark legislation is toppled, making access to the procedure even more difficult than it already is for about 33 million women of child-bearing age. That will create logistical nightmares, long waits and increased health risks for those seeking abortions — even in less restrictive states — not to mention financial costs that can last for decades.


Roe v. Wade isn’t just about the right to an abortion: It's about economic security. Decades of research link abortion access to expanded roles for women around the world. Those forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term are four times as likely to fall into poverty, and face higher job losses and lower earnings potential. The US is poised to join only three other countries, Poland, El Salvador and Nicaragua, that have rolled back legal grounds for abortion in the last three decades, compared with nearly 60 nations that have liberalized laws.
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It's happened.
The Supreme Court has struck down Roe v. Wade, which for nearly 50 years has protected the right to abortion.

The decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health was the most anticipated of the court’s term, with political tension surrounding the fight over abortion erupting in May with the leak of a draft opinion indicating a majority of justices intended to end the long-standing precedent.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/24/supreme-court-abortion-ruling/
 
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Well, darn it. I really didn't think they would do it.

This should make for some exciting times ahead, on a state level.
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Yeah, everyone is super shocked that conservatives lied. I know I'm completely blown away.

Er wait...no. I'm the opposite of that. I expect conservatives to lie about their intentions to get power and then abuse that power as soon as possible.
 
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