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catsmate said:
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'm not one of those. Certain people/occupations need to have a gun/rifle. For example, ranchers who need to protect their animals, people who live in areas with dangerous animals like bears, most hunters (although I abhor hunting with a passion, I realize hunting needs to be done for the overall good of the herd, etc). But NO civilian needs an assault/assault style rifle. No one needs to have a damn arsenal in their home (like my BIL).
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Sure. But hunting and herd defense don't require a semi-automatic. Bolt/lever/slide plugged to hold three rounds.
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I thought I made that point in my post. I'm not familiar with guns. I don't own one. I don't like them. I have no idea what a "Bolt/lever/slide plugged to hold three rounds" even means or whether hunters use them. My point was that I recognize there are some legitimate reasons for gun ownership but none for, outside of (some) law enforcement/military, for owning a weapon like an assault/style rifle or any that can kill many and quickly.
 
Ranb said:
Just watched Trump's speech at the NRA convention. He was his usual snarky self, but this time he seemed to be extra bored, as if those deaths had somehow made the whole thing inconvenient for him.

It was sickening to listen to.
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Yeah, he was so broken up about those kids that he couldn't do this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530322212309200896

When he read those children's names, it was obvious it was the first time he'd seen them. He couldn't even make the effort to learn how to pronounce them beforehand.
 
As someone points out in the comments, he played golf when his brother died. This is perfectly in character.

Remember in 2018 when he autographed the photos of murder victims?
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
As someone points out in the comments, he played golf when his brother died. This is perfectly in character.

Remember in 2018 when he autographed the photos of murder victims?
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Remember in 2019 when he and Melania had their picture taken with the baby who had just been orphaned in the El Paso mass shooting?

 
Checkmite said:
Unfortunately, it is illegal for the federal government via the CDC to research incidents of gun violence and attempt to analyze the problem.

I won't bother to bring up who passed the law, but the reason it was passed is due to fear that, hypothetically, some causal connection between gun violence and access to firearms could (theoretically) be found. To prevent such a finding from being made, the CDC is prevented from making any finding at all.
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Which is an outrage, though I might argue that the CDC is not the proper agecny to do this.
 
dudalb said:
Which is an outrage, though I might argue that the CDC is not the proper agecny to do this.
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Perhaps a select committee of elderly gentlemen who can use their wisdom?
And they'd best be selected for their knowledge of firearms, so clearly they need to have been associated with the industry.
Headed by someone non-partisan, like one of the Trump family?

Can't expect scientists who specialize in looking at things that might be harmful to society to be neutral of course.
 
Matthew Best said:
I'm reading now on Twitter that two of the parents of children murdered in Texas this week are considering having open casket funerals, as they want the world to see what actually happened to their children, who are now apparently unrecognizable.
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The last few times I have speculated if someone would eventually go the Emmett Till route. (using that as a comparison, not a criticism). I thought things were never going to change until we started seeing pictures of dead kids. Perhaps the extensive coverage of Ukraine contributed to that? I haven't seen any yet, and neither need nor want to. But I can totally predict that the Republicans will complain that the parents are exploiting their children's death to make a political statement . Here's a pre-emptive "**** you!"

Even David Hogg posts that he thinks it feels different this time, and now that even Jon Voight posted something logical in relation to background checks, the tide is moving.
 
Warp12 said:
Using a key doesn't seem like a bad option compared to other methods that may take more time and draw more attention (and gunfire). I mean, it doesn't fit the movie version...but few tactical plans will, I imagine.
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Drawing some ******* fire would mean fewer bullets in children’s bodies.

That’s the “protect” part of these gutless ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊’s jobs.
 
GOD HAS HEARD YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS AND HE THINKS THEY ARE ******* ********

Hi. God here. I am contacting you in response to your prayers regarding the most recent and totally horrific mass shooting in a college/ high school/ elementary school/ bar/ nightclub/ park/ shopping mall/ concert/ movie theater/ parking lot/ church/ mosque/ synagogue. I have listened to your prayers, America, and I have come to the conclusion that they are cowardly, pointless, and shameful. Your prayers are not helping the victims or their families. Helping potential and actual gun violence victims is a bridge you could have crossed a long time ago, and you chose not to. You pray in order not to feel culpable in horrendous acts of violence. You pray in order to feel good. And for this, I say: **** you.
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Stacyhs said:
I thought I made that point in my post. I'm not familiar with guns. I don't own one. I don't like them. I have no idea what a "Bolt/lever/slide plugged to hold three rounds" even means or whether hunters use them. My point was that I recognize there are some legitimate reasons for gun ownership but none for, outside of (some) law enforcement/military, for owning a weapon like an assault/style rifle or any that can kill many and quickly.
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Ah sorry.
Semi-automatic weapons tap gas pressure or recoil force generated during firing to 'cycle' the weapon, ejecting the used cartridge case, moving a fresh round into position and preparing the weapon to fire again when the trigger is pressed. Fully automatic weapons (your classic machine gun) continue firing while the trigger is pressed and ammunition remains available.

Manually cycled weapons (bolt, lever and slide are variations on this theme) require the firer to manually move part of the weapon to perform the firing cycle.

I rather think we're in agreement on access to weapons.
 
Warp12 said:
I think the primary focus being on "assault weapons" is a mistake. I think more widespread restrictions on age of purchase, training and licensing requirements, checks/waiting periods, etc. are of more value.

The ideas of banning guns in general are just pie-in-the-sky stuff. Screeching about that is a waste of time, and counter productive.
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I know this thread has moved on. But I agree with this post completely.

I even heard a conservative attorney say the exact same thing. Right before he pivoted to some weird point that we can not trust the democrats to oversee such restrictions so we can’t have them. It was such a spin I almost wrecked my truck. But that’s talk radio.
 
catsmate said:
Ah sorry.
Semi-automatic weapons tap gas pressure or recoil force generated during firing to 'cycle' the weapon, ejecting the used cartridge case, moving a fresh round into position and preparing the weapon to fire again when the trigger is pressed. Fully automatic weapons (your classic machine gun) continue firing while the trigger is pressed and ammunition remains available.

Manually cycled weapons (bolt, lever and slide are variations on this theme) require the firer to manually move part of the weapon to perform the firing cycle.

I rather think we're in agreement on access to weapons.
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I think we are. :D
 
There should be both a ban on assault/assault type weapons AND more widespread restrictions on age of purchase, training and licensing requirements, checks/waiting periods, etc.

They are not mutually exclusive.
 
Matthew Best said:
I'm reading now on Twitter that two of the parents of children murdered in Texas this week are considering having open casket funerals, as they want the world to see what actually happened to their children, who are now apparently unrecognizable.
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That's brave, and horribly heartbreaking. And given what happened with Emmett Till, I hope they do it.
 
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Nessie said:
Thanks (and to others who answered).

Next question (based on my police training) was that when seeking cover, we need to be behind something that bullets cannot penetrate. The firearms that the shooter had, were they of sufficient power that bullets would go through the classroom walls and door?

It is also hard to see how so many cops could be in a corridor and cover the classrooms, with risk of shooting each other.
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I also want to know if (and if not, why not), they were getting the other kids out?
 
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Sideroxylon said:
The NRA must be loving that most media attention has been and will be on the police response and not as it would otherwise be on political action.
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Hopefully it will eventually come down to the next step, why trained good guys with guns were still unable to stop the murderer.

Toss that solution out.

And one locked entrance should be ruled out by the fire department. And what about classrooms that have windows? How do you turn those into Cruz's idea of protecting school kids? Some of those classrooms rely on opening windows as air conditioners.

Not to mention the obvious, a shooter can get to the kids on the playground. Does Cruz expect schools to build tall fences topped with barbed wire around playgrounds?

And should they arrive in bullet proof busses that pull into bullet proof garages before the kids get out?

Reporters don't seem to be on camera challenging Cruz's idea though the late-night talk shows have been covering his stupidity. Colbert mentioned the fire hazard issue.
 
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