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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Thermal said:
Not fractionally as harsh as picking out your own children to save and leaving the others to die. I'm having trouble seeing a reason why these courageous cowboy cops wouldn't have at least escorted the entire class out. And since it was so effortless, going back in to the next class.
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I have a hard time seeing it, too. So hard that I'm skeptical it happened that way.

I think the cops, collectively, meaning the department, are being hoisted by their own petard. They started off by lying about what happened. Now they are being called on it, but they have to clam up because they need to get a story straight, which means they can't counter rumors.

If it were easy, and safe, to get kids out, I think they would have done it. If any of them got their own kids out, and they thought it was safe to do that, they would have gotten all the kids out that they could have from the same classrooms they got their kids out.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Man arrested after he carried a gun onto an elementary school campus in Texas and accidently shot himself in the foot while adjusting his belt.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...4tJE3KGv69__dFLgisCjY_ydRYWhiCE2ae1QceX5Hc1jg
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That is totally hilarious.


For people who didn't read the link, the man was a parent.

I'm speculating that the man was a brave volunteer who decided that the armed citizenry needed to protect the kids against the marauders, and he was just the guy to do it.

I feel safer already, knowing that people like him are ready and willing to take guns to every elementary school in the country.
 
Stacyhs said:
You live in a country that happily isn't butt deep in a gun loving culture like the US is. It's so deeply ingrained in some people here that they'd sooner thousands and thousands of people die every year from guns than live without them.:mad:
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I note that the gun culture is a relatively recent development, and as much as anything is the result of marketing and propaganda by the NRA and gun makers. For most of U.S. history, firearms were subjecting to increasing restriction and regulation, particularly in cities, and until the early '70s the NRA, which originally was an outdoor sports organization, actually supported responsible gun laws. With the right legislation, particularly overturning the gun maker's exemption from liability laws, the culture could change again.
 
Stacyhs said:
Lee is a complete twit. Yeah...'fatherless families and the breakdown of families' are the causes. Not our violent gun culture and hate echo chambers.
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This particular shooter has a father who told media he would have called police if he had any idea what his little boy was up to.
 
Trump, consoler-in-chief.
Former President Donald Trump’s mangled recitation of the names of the 21 Uvalde, Texas, mass shooting victims at the National Rifle Association’s convention on Friday made Twitter critics’ blood run cold.

The names of the 19 children and two teachers, broken up into hardly recognizable syllables in Trump’s stumbling pronunciation, were interspersed with the funereal sound of a gong.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trumps-chant-uvalde-victims-012236495.html
 
Republicans have listed so many causes and aggravating factors of the shooting, that they are making the case for gun control.

Why try to solve 30 different problems when you can confiscate the guns to get the same effect?
 
Bob001 said:
This particular shooter has a father who told media he would have called police if he had any idea what his little boy was up to.
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Considering that the shooter hadn't lived with his father for quite some time, if ever, and his sister is also estranged from their father because of his lack of interest in his children, it shouldn't come as a surprise that he didn't know what his son was doing. They sound very dysfunctional.

The Daily Beast spoke with Ramos on the porch of his girlfriend’s home east of Uvalde, where he has been living for several years.
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The younger Ramos reportedly had a poor relationship with his mother and had dropped out of high school ahead of his graduation this year. His father admitted he had not spent much time with him lately because he was employed outside Uvalde—he digs holes around utility poles for inspection—and because of the pandemic.

His own mother was suffering from cancer, Ramos said, and he could not risk being exposed to the coronavirus. He added that his son grew frustrated with the COVID precautions about a month ago and refused to speak to him. Ramos has not seen him since.

“My mom tells me he probably would have shot me too, because he would always say I didn’t love him,” he told The Daily Beast.

Ramos also faulted the boy’s mother, Adriana Reyes, for not buying him more school supplies and clothes. He said his son was bullied at school for wearing the same high-water jeans every day, and that this was the reason he ultimately dropped out. Attempts to reach Reyes for comment this week were unsuccessful.

Former classmates and families confirmed that the younger Ramos had been bullied in middle school for a speech impediment. But some former co-workers and others who knew him said Ramos had an aggressive streak, and his internet history pointed to someone all too happy to descend into twisted boasting about guns and mass bloodshed.

A high school classmate told the Washington Post she had seen Ramos engage in multiple fist fights, and a former co-worker told The Daily Beast he was inclined toward harassing women he worked with.
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For his own part, the father has a lengthy criminal record which includes at least one conviction for assault and causing bodily injury to a family member. He said he was currently estranged from his daughter—the gunman’s sister—who he said was also upset with him for not spending enough time with the family.

The sister, 21, joined the Navy and is no longer living at home.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/fathe...alvador-ramos-says-he-shouldve-just-killed-me
 
Trump at the NRA convention:
After calling the massacre in Uvalde, Texas, a “savage and barbaric atrocity” and reading aloud the name of each victim, the former president accused Democrats of being “cynical politicians seeking to exploit the tears of sobbing families to increase their own power and take away our constitutional rights.” He also claimed that increased calls to pass gun control legislation in the wake of the shooting amounted to a “grotesque effort by some in our society to use the suffering of others to advance their own extreme political agenda.”

“The various gun control policies being pushed by the left would have done nothing to prevent the horror that took place,” Trump continued, instead arguing that lawmakers should instead “deal with the problem of broken families,” pass mental health initiatives and “harden our schools.”
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Where's Will Smith when he's actually needed?
Here's to him having a Double Eagle on one of his golf courses...finishing his game with two strokes.
 
dudalb said:
Apparently the shooter ran out of the room firing at the cops before he was taken down.
Looks like a classic "Suicide By Cop" situation.
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You misheard. When the CBP tactical team busted into the room, the shooter was concealed in a closet. After a moment, he rushed out of the closet at them, shooting.

I don't think it was suicide-by-cop. After all, he managed to hit one or more of the breach team. I think he most likely thought or at least hoped he could take them.
 
Meadmaker said:
I have a hard time seeing it, too. So hard that I'm skeptical it happened that way.

I think the cops, collectively, meaning the department, are being hoisted by their own petard. They started off by lying about what happened. Now they are being called on it, but they have to clam up because they need to get a story straight, which means they can't counter rumors.

If it were easy, and safe, to get kids out, I think they would have done it. If any of them got their own kids out, and they thought it was safe to do that, they would have gotten all the kids out that they could have from the same classrooms they got their kids out.
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Looks like the "cops went in to save their own kids" may be just a rumor or misunderstanding. Snopes is working on verifying it now but from what they've got so far, it's not holding up well. It started from a tweet following an interview with a police Lt.:

On May 26, 2022, racial justice activist Shaun King tweeted that one or more law enforcement officers rescued their own children on the day of the deadly mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, while the incident was unfolding. And that was “91 minutes” before the shooter, Salvador Ramos, was stopped, the tweet alleged.
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Vanessa Croix: We’ve heard that some law enforcement officers actually went into [the] school to get their kids out. Can you talk about that?

Lt. Christopher Olivarez: Right, so what we do know Vanessa right now that there was some police officers [and] families trying to get their children out of the school because it was an active shooter situation right now. It’s a terrible situation right now. And, of course, just as we mentioned the loss of life, it’s just terrible, it’s a terrible tragedy now that took place, but again we’ve got to keep acknowledging those brave men and women that actually were there on scene that met the suspect, and of course, we know that they were met with gunfire. Some of them were shot. But at the end of this, the suspect was shot and is now deceased. The threat is now neutralized.
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Looks to me like that sentence might have been misunderstood as the "police officers" trying to get their kids out when it was the "families" trying to get their kids out. Peculiarities of the English language.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/officers-rescued-own-children-texas/
 
So anyway, are we done with the whole "it's unreasonable to blame the police in the hallway for not disobeying an order to not do anything" yet? Because we're supposed to believe that's exactly what the CBP tactical unit did. They allegedly made the call on their own to breach despite no auth from the scene commander, who still wanted them to wait.

Of course, they only made this arbitrary decision 40 minutes or so after standing around following said order while the shooter was actively killing children still inside the room. I wonder what suddenly changed at that particular moment that they found the courage THEN to disobey the scene commander and go ahead.
 
Now that "good guys with guns" turn out to be the exact same popgun pansies as "bad guys with guns", only solution is to ban "guys".

Testosterone is dangerous and leads to bad thoughts, so like those pushing pins into dolls in another thread who "need to be punished", American males deserve to be locked up for thought crimes, especially if caught doing male things, like shaving or mowing lawns.

"Problem solved".
 
lobosrul5 said:
Its a totally separate department here. They report to the school board rather than city council.
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Which does point to the utterly broken structure of US policing. Eighteen thousand independent organisations with police powers is a recipe for a lot of problems with oversight as well as funding and training. And jurisdiction.
 
dudalb said:
And, yes, I think WHY we are seeing so many mass shootings is something that should be looked at.
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Unfortunately, it is illegal for the federal government via the CDC to research incidents of gun violence and attempt to analyze the problem.

I won't bother to bring up who passed the law, but the reason it was passed is due to fear that, hypothetically, some causal connection between gun violence and access to firearms could (theoretically) be found. To prevent such a finding from being made, the CDC is prevented from making any finding at all.
 
Words fail me.

Trump called for the overhauling of school security and the nation’s approach to mental health, telling the group every school building should have a single point of entry, strong exterior fencing, metal detectors and hardened classroom doors, and every school should have a police officer or armed guard on duty at all times.

He also called yet again for trained teachers to be able to carry concealed weapons in the classroom.
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As a friend, who is a schoolteacher in the US, pointed out:
The idea of arming teachers relies on the premise that people educating our children are emotionally and physically capable of pointing a gun at a child and pulling the trigger. Even if my life was in danger I couldn't do that. Even if that child had a gun pointed at me I couldn't do that. And the idea that anyone who could should be in a classroom with your children should scare you.
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