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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Latest report: Shooter entered the school "unhindered" at 11:40 a.m. First responding cops retreat under fire at 11:44 p.m. Incident ended at 1:06 p.m. It's not unreasonable to ask what the cops were doing for more than an hour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-timeline/

Getting the story straight.

Sorry but I see reasons straight from the cops themselves to doubt their competency and honesty. I guess I'm cynical:

Media changes a story = probably correct.
Cops change story to one that removes culpability = I am suspicious.

Cops routinely go through great pains to cover their asses, as do their superiors, the unions and DAs. We know this for a fact.

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The problem though is not the police, it is our sick society and its lust for violence and guns.
 
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I kind of disagree. Forced entry in a Hostage Situation is very,very, risky, and IMHO you need a highly trained speciaized unit to do it.But that does excuse the cowardly behavior of the police in Uvalde.

I'm not saying what they are supposed to do .. I'm saying they should be prepared and trained for it.
 
I'm not saying what they are supposed to do .. I'm saying they should be prepared and trained for it.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-what-we-know/index.html

Emergency protocol calls for ending a threat as quickly as possible because fatalities happen in seconds to minutes, experts said.

"According to the way that active shooter training is deployed now, police officers are taught that you need a team of three. Once you have three officers ... you go into the required formation and you make entry into that space wherever the shooter is," Andrew McCabe, CNN senior law enforcement analyst, told CNN on Thursday afternoon.

By Escalon's account, at least three officers were on scene by 11:44 a.m.
"You could make the argument that any one of those individual officers should have gone in even earlier than that but certainly by 11:44 (a.m.), they have three officers there, that would be consistent with the training," McCabe added.

Is this expert correct?
 
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Latest report: Shooter entered the school "unhindered" at 11:40 a.m. First responding cops retreat under fire at 11:44 p.m. Incident ended at 1:06 p.m. It's not unreasonable to ask what the cops were doing for more than an hour.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/26/uvalde-school-shooting-timeline/

(fast moving thread - maybe already addressed -- I can only read so much of this...)

Never mind the whole hour (but not discounting it), but the guy crashed his car at 11:28 am and didn't enter the school until 12 minutes later, this after shooting at people on the street. It seems that this would have been the best opportunity to apprehend him. I mean, it looks like a spectacular crash, you'd think there'd be a crowd around and cops called immediately. What was going on all that time?
 
On the topic of what ideas politicians are coming up with, my Rep (Emanuel Cleaver) has proposed the "No Pay Until Peace Act" which would deduct one month's pay from every member of Congress for every month in which a mass shooting occurs.

Now, aside from the fact that this will never see the light of day anyways, it would still be a hollow gesture. $175,000 a year sounds like a lot, but honestly they make a lot more on their side hustles anyways.

ETA: The only members who might feel a sting are the ones who don't take bribes and rub elbows with lobbyists. If anything, it would push them further towards such behavior.
 
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Rewriting the playbook: Instead of blaming guns, we should blame mental illness local police. You can't count on the police to protect you and your family. A pizza will arrive sooner than the law. Get a gun. Get more than one. Be a hero; become a legend. Some people fantasize about shooting up a school, but you can fantasize about ventilating a school shooter. The result: miles of pussy. Pussy that is RIGHTFULLY YOURS!!!!! Bust in and remove its hinges tonight. You NEED. You WANT. You TAKE.
 
(fast moving thread - maybe already addressed -- I can only read so much of this...)

Never mind the whole hour (but not discounting it), but the guy crashed his car at 11:28 am and didn't enter the school until 12 minutes later, this after shooting at people on the street. It seems that this would have been the best opportunity to apprehend him. I mean, it looks like a spectacular crash, you'd think there'd be a crowd around and cops called immediately. What was going on all that time?

The latest info:
Ramos crashed his truck near the back of the school at 11:28 a.m., then fired an AR-style rifle at two people coming out of a nearby funeral home, said Victor Escalon, regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety.

Ramos then entered the school "unobstructed" through an apparently unlocked door at about 11:40 a.m., Escalon said.

But the first police officers did not arrive on the scene until 12 minutes after the crash and and did not enter the school to pursue the shooter until four minutes after that. Inside, they were driven back by gunfire from Ramos and took cover, Escalon said.

That back door should have been locked. Entrances to schools should always have doors that can be opened from inside but not from outside.
 
Rewriting the playbook: Instead of blaming guns, we should blame mental illness local police. You can't count on the police to protect you and your family. A pizza will arrive sooner than the law. Get a gun. Get more than one. Be a hero; become a legend. Some people fantasize about shooting up a school, but you can fantasize about ventilating a school shooter. The result: miles of pussy. Pussy that is RIGHTFULLY YOURS!!!!! Bust in and remove its hinges tonight. You NEED. You WANT. You TAKE.


Finally something motivational in all of this gloom.
 
I'm going to state my position on this very clearly as some have either misunderstood it or made false assumptions:

1. I do not know if the police action was correct or not.

2. I am not 'excusing' or 'defending' their actions but neither am I condemning it.

3. I think judging whether their actions were appropriate or not should wait until the investigation concludes exactly what happened and why.

4. I do object to some members projecting their personal dislike of police onto these officers and judging them before knowing all the facts. Anyone claiming they have not made that personal dislike...even hatred for some... clear is not being honest.


Okay, that's fair.

I will say that the story that is coming together as police give more information and correct or retract previously-given information, is at the very least becoming less flattering over time, but yes we have to acknowledge that the information even now is still incomplete. Some conflicting statements still remain to be resolved.

And given how drastically the story has changed just in the last couple of days, it's entirely possible that it could drastically change again in the future, maybe even in a way that settles or absolves the responders.

The Texas DPS is the agency that, it appears so far, has been given the job of being the primary public information clearinghouse. Their statements are the ones that have changed drastically. But it's important to recognize that DPS officers were not the ones on-scene initially, and they have no actual direct knowledge what happened at the beginning of the incident. All of their information, good and bad, about that part of the timeline comes from the Uvalde Police Department, and possibly the city school district (it's not clear to me whether the "school resource officer" involved is district-employed, or Uvalde PD, or a separate agency entirely; it could be any of these as arrangements regarding SROs aren't standardized nationwide). In fact it's not clear what part the DPS played at all in the incident, if any; the only other agency we know for sure was actively involved was USCBP, whose "tactical team" was eventually called to enter the room and take down the shooter.

And there is still a lot of misinformation that's been reported and is being kept in circulation by people who are unaware that it was found to be bogus or just don't care.

1. The shooter is not known to have been transgender. Family, friends, and others who knew him don't mention anything like this, and all refer to him as male. Photos circulated online supporting a "trans" claim were taken from an uninvolved person's social media posts. This misinformation continues to be pushed even now by many, even prominent pundits like Candace Owens (yes, really).

2. The shooter is not an illegal immigrant. He did not just recently move to the area. He had an established job in town at a fast-food restaurant.

3. The shooter was not fleeing police or being pursued by authorities at all when he crashed his truck in the drainage canal.

4. A Border Patrol agent did not happen to be somewhere nearby and respond immediately, rushing into the building without backup and taking down the shooter singlehandedly.
 
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Rewriting the playbook: Instead of blaming guns, we should blame mental illness local police. You can't count on the police to protect you and your family. A pizza will arrive sooner than the law. Get a gun. Get more than one. Be a hero; become a legend. Some people fantasize about shooting up a school, but you can fantasize about ventilating a school shooter. The result: miles of pussy. Pussy that is RIGHTFULLY YOURS!!!!! Bust in and remove its hinges tonight. You NEED. You WANT. You TAKE.

When did TragicMonkey take over your account? :D
 
Okay, that's fair.

I will say that the story that is coming together as police give more information and correct or retract previously-given information, is at the very least becoming less flattering over time, but yes we have to acknowledge that the information even now is still incomplete. Some conflicting statements still remain to be resolved.

And given how drastically the story has changed just in the last couple of days, it's entirely possible that it could drastically change again in the future, maybe even in a way that settles or absolves the responders.

The Texas DPS is the agency that, it appears so far, has been given the job of being the primary public information clearinghouse. Their statements are the ones that have changed drastically. But it's important to recognize that DPS officers were not the ones on-scene initially, and they have no actual direct knowledge what happened at the beginning of the incident. All of their information, good and bad, about that part of the timeline comes from the Uvalde Police Department, and possibly the city school district (it's not clear to me whether the "school resource officer" involved is district-employed, or Uvalde PD, or a separate agency entirely; it could be any of these as arrangements regarding SROs aren't standardized nationwide). In fact it's not clear what part the DPS played at all in the incident, if any; the only other agency we know for sure was actively involved was USCBP, whose "tactical team" was eventually called to enter the room and take down the shooter.

And there is still a lot of misinformation that's been reported and is being kept in circulation by people who are unaware that it was found to be bogus or just don't care.

1. The shooter is not known to have been transgender. Family, friends, and others who knew him don't mention anything like this, and all refer to him as male. Photos circulated online supporting a "trans" claim were taken from an uninvolved person's social media posts. This misinformation continues to be pushed even now by many, even prominent pundits like Candace Owens (yes, really).

2. The shooter is not an illegal immigrant. He did not just recently move to the area. He had an established job in town at a fast-food restaurant.

3. The shooter was not fleeing police or being pursued by authorities at all when he crashed his truck in the drainage canal.

4. A Border Patrol agent did not happen to be somewhere nearby and respond immediately, rushing into the building without backup and taking down the shooter singlehandedly.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
WHY not Microchip guns Asualt Rifles with small transmitters that can be picked up by existing cell phone Technology?
 
There was an armed policeman present at the school. Not just a "security guard", an actual cop.

Or, in today's version, there was no policeman stationed at the school.


Maybe by tomorrow he'll be back. The story is changing rapidly.
 
Texas Lt Gov Dan Patrick says our schools should be firetraps.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1529819857394483200

I think our schools should be surrounded by moats, with piranhas and crocodiles wrapped with razor-wire in them. Maybe we can import a dragon from Africa or wherever.

And there's only one drawbridge across the moat and it only lowers twice a day, when school is letting in and when school is letting out.

And there's armed guards in rare-tier paladin armor guarding the drawbridges, and they can lower the drawbridge in emergencies but only if you solve a riddle. But if you can't solve the riddle it's okay, you have to hire a helicopter and land on the helipad on the roof but it's also got armed guards.
 
C'mon, it's been 48 hours since the kids got cancelled - you must be due another shooting so everyone can have a fresh round of prayers and move on from this story.

Wake up, America!
 
There is no such technology. Also whatever you put in guns, can be taken out.

It could be done pretty easy, a microchip feed by induction from any magnetic Field and a Transmiter that Transmits to near by cell phones on wireless.
 
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