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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Apparently one of the things they were doing during the delay was finding a hostage negotiator.

Which Columbine taught us to be exactly the wrong thing to do during a school shooting. :confused:

On many ways the police response is a repeat of Columbine - in all the wrong ways. There were a lot of lessons learned from the Columbine response - not of which seem to have been applied here.
 
Warp12 said:
Well, it is pretty easy to run into active gunfire from the comfort of the internet. I imagine this isn't a situation they encounter daily.
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Oh, please.
I am much more sympathtic to the police then most people here, and I freely admit there is a lot of knee jerk "COps are BAD" rehtoric in these forums, but if the police in Uvalde behaved inthe way that is being reported, they shoud have their butts fired, right now.
Or do you just blindly support the police, no matter what, because that is right wing dogma?
 
Warp12 said:
Your analysis of the situation sounds remarkably...predictable.

I am going to suggest that cops should not be allowing people to run into the school during or immediately after a mass shooting. Just a thought.
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Yeah she should've been immediately executed for being a mom trying to rescue her child :rolleyes:

ETA: do you have kids? Would you just sit there and wait around and do nothing for your child while the police stand around??
 
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Warp12 said:
I get the anger. First it started with anger at the GOP, and now the cops. Meanwhile, there was a psycho who set out to kill these kids, you know. But it is hard to feel satisfaction ranting at dead people.

People get angry because they feel very impotent being a bystander to this sort of thing. So of course you have to understand their rage, whether properly focused or not.
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Its not that. Its that this is the one mother ******* thing we need armed police for. Not for shoplifters. Not for drawing on me when I am on an empty property at night. We need them for this. We train and arm them specifically for such an event, and when it's game time, they sit on the sidelines listening to the children being murdered.

I make excuses for a lot of bad cop behavior because they need to occasionally go to work and deal with this ****. So it is absolutely unacceptable for them to say "school shooter? Never heard of it. We didn't know what to do".

Bull. *******. ****.
 
dudalb said:
Or do you just blindly support the police, no matter what, because that is right wing dogma?
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Not at all. But I do grow weary of the same whining from keyboard warriors about cowardly cops, before the bodies even cool.
 
Nessie said:
Do police officers to undergo training on dealing with active shooters and do they do any exercises at their local schools, so they are familiar with the buildings?
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It depends on the force. I suspect the urban forces do a lot more of this kind of training then rural forces.
In many police forces special units are formed for "forced entry" situations.
You have heard of SWAT units?
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well yes. But the idea is that EVERY cop in US should be well prepared for this very situation by now.
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I kind of disagree. Forced entry in a Hostage Situation is very,very, risky, and IMHO you need a highly trained speciaized unit to do it.But that does excuse the cowardly behavior of the police in Uvalde.
 
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Thermal said:
Its not that. Its that this is the one mother ******* thing we need armed police for. Not for shoplifters. Not for drawing on me when I am on an empty property at night. We need them for this. We train and arm them specifically for such an event, and when it's game time, they sit on the sidelines listening to the children being murdered.

I make excuses for a lot of bad cop behavior because they need to occasionally go to work and deal with this ****. So it is absolutely unacceptable for them to say "school shooter? Never heard of it. We didn't know what to do".

Bull. *******. ****.
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Well, like I say, it is expected for people to be emotional about this stuff.

But the reality is, I don't expect the guy who writes me for speeding to be able to handle this situation. This is a very specialized scenario, and one that very rarely occurs in the tens of millions of police interactions that take place each year.

The benefit of Police to society would be very little if all they did was respond to mass shootings.
 
Warp12 said:
Your analysis of the situation sounds remarkably...predictable.

I am going to suggest that cops should not be allowing people to run into the school during or immediately after a mass shooting. Just a thought.
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You are just mindlessly supporting the police because that is right wing dogma
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
They're exercising their SCOTUS affirmed right to not risk their lives to help the public.

All this macho horsecrap about warrior cops in this country and public tolerance for roided up racists gunning down unarmed people for furtive movements, but when a rare moment actually comes when you need trigger pullers, they're too afwaid to do anything.

This exact scenario has been repeated enough times to prove this point. Cops won't move in to stop a shooter until they have overwhelming force, such as a SWAT team, which means any schoolhouse killer is going to have more than enough time to rack up double digit bor ody counts. Nothing has changed since Columbine.

These cowards should be publicly shamed for the rest of their lives until they finally do the right thing and off themselves.

ETA: When calling 911, just tell the cops it's an unarmed 78 year old woman with dementia having a mental health crisis instead of a school shooting, and you'll get the aggressive response you need.
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For Christ's sake, knock this crap off. :mad:
 
Warp12 said:
Well, like I say, it is expected for people to be emotional about this stuff.

But the reality is, I don't expect the guy who writes me for speeding to be able to handle this situation. This is a very specialized scenario, and one that very rarely occurs in the tens of millions of police interactions that take place each year.

The benefit of Police to society would be very little if all they did was respond to mass shootings.
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Then why were they able to get their own kids out?
Seems to me they could have gotten more out without risking a full scale assault which probably should be left to the SWAT units.
 
Warp12 said:
Your analysis of the situation sounds remarkably...predictable.

I am going to suggest that cops should not be allowing people to run into the school during or immediately after a mass shooting. Just a thought.
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They weren't afraid to take action against the woman though were they?
maybe they should have gone in and cuffed the murderer.
 
Stacyhs said:
For Christ's sake, knock this crap off. :mad:
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Agreed. I don't like the Supreme Court any more then ST does, but blaming them for the cowardice of the cops here is dumb
And what exact ruling are they talking about?
It's from one extreme to another. We have one poster for whom the police can do no wrong, and now we have one who thinks they can do no right. This confirms my growing hatred for blind political idelogues of any stripe.
 
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crescent said:
Apparently one of the things they were doing during the delay was finding a hostage negotiator.

Which Columbine taught us to be exactly the wrong thing to do during a school shooting. :confused:

On many ways the police response is a repeat of Columbine - in all the wrong ways. There were a lot of lessons learned from the Columbine response - not of which seem to have been applied here.
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So no lessons were learned.
 
Warp12 said:
Not at all. But I do grow weary of the same whining from keyboard warriors about cowardly cops, before the bodies even cool.
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Making excuses for ineffectual, incompetent law enforcement never seems to wear you out, however.
 
Warp12 said:
Not at all. But I do grow weary of the same whining from keyboard warriors about cowardly cops, before the bodies even cool.
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If they hadn't been such cowards there may not have been any bodies to cool or at least far fewer.

Not one of the cops there felt brave enough to go in or to defy the orders of the cowards that told him not to?
 
All this talk of waiting for a negotiator. Surely this is a time when the police should just go in shoot first and ask questions later.
 
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