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Trans women are not women (Part 8)

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Puppycow said:
Wow, has anyone seen the new Ricky Gervais comedy special on Netflix?

He's apparently stirred the hornet's nest. I'm watching it now.

I think it just dropped within the last day or two, but for some reason Netflix didn't show it on the top page even though their algorithm must know I would want to see it.
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Is it a new standup? That may be enough to get me to sign up for Netflix again.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why does that make something a sacred cow? That people who care about the issue care about the issue?

ETA: A sacred cow is literally something decreed to be sacred by someone speaking for divinity. Cows are sacred in Hinduism by edict. I know you don't like the reasoning used by transgendered advocates...but it follows from a value system not nested in decree.
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Next you'll be arguing that it can't be a sacred cow if it's not a cow.

And much of it is, in fact, nested in decree. See, for example, Twitter bans.
https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/11/20/twitter-wants-shut-right-wants-join-dont-think-either/
 
You know transgender issues are a sacred cow when you see Ketanji Brown Jackson being afraid to define "woman" without deferring to biologists. Especially at a job interview she would have had no chance of getting had she not been a woman.
 
BobTheCoward said:
....you mentioned attacked and killing. As I said, I will care, once this sacred cow actually gets treated like the others.
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But it's not like the others. Hindus would stop treating a sacred cow like a sacred cow if it turned into a horse.
 
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
You know transgender issues are a sacred cow when you see Ketanji Brown Jackson being afraid to define "woman" without deferring to biologists. Especially at a job interview she would have had no chance of getting had she not been a woman.
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....or maybe....get this....she thought about the position and agrees with it, and that is why she wouldn't answer the question another way?

I would answer the question the same. I don't feel compelled.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Then my point stands it is a comedian punching down.
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Punching down or sacred cows aside, at this point it's just hack comedy.

Gervais is going to be like the 1 millionth edgelord standup comic to make the same tired anti-trans jokes.

I guess if you can't be good, being edgy will still pay the bills.
 
BobTheCoward said:
You mean a private group choosing not to associate with someone and ending their membership? The objection to decrees is when they apply to non members.
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"It's not a cow".

Are you really that unclear about how metaphors work? Or do you really, really just like moving goalposts that much?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Then my point stands it is a comedian punching down.
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A group that has political power that people try to place in a position beyond criticism is exactly the sort of thing that jokes should be made about. Uncriticizable political power is dangerous.
 
Rolfe said:
Try this.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ricky-gervais-is-no-transphobe-

Oh, maybe the writer is transphobic?
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I have heard Gervais's holocaust joke, and it is isnt a punching down joke at a marginalized group. It is a joke being on there side.



but from the article
Trans activist ideology has run unchecked for too long,
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that is the funniest thing said so far. If it was unchecked, it wouldn't be so hard to advance the idea. It is checked, constantly.
 
BobTheCoward said:
that is the funniest thing said so far. If it was unchecked, it wouldn't be so hard to advance the idea. It is checked, constantly.
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It is checked in some places, unchecked in others. For example, within Twitter (as a company) it is unchecked.
 
Ziggurat said:
It is checked in some places, unchecked in others. For example, within Twitter (as a company) it is unchecked.
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It a private group. That is like saying it goes unchecked that Mahomes is the best quarterback at my mom's house.

Private people have an opinion
 
BobTheCoward said:
I think you mean some other word than practical. Because saying women can compete in women's sports is a practical solution....it is happening right now.
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Yes, it is happening right now, and it ought to stop. The practical consequences, i.e. women competing against men*, is bad, and is more important than whatever identity issues the men* might have.



*insert word of your choice here.
 
Meadmaker said:
Yes, it is happening right now, and it ought to stop. The practical consequences, i.e. women competing against men*, is bad, and is more important than whatever identity issues the men* might have.



*insert word of your choice here.
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Which means that it is practical,you just don't like it.
 
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