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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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smartcooky said:
As long as you have such a backwards SYSTEM in your House of Government, that allows the MINORITY to dictate to the MAJORITY what legislation can be passed, NO presdient can ever be held to blame for not getting things done.

As long as you have such a backwards judicial system that gives wholly unqualified people lifetime appointments to your highest court, a system that allows one party to have dominance and influence over laws YEARS after those who appointed them have gone from office, you will continue to suffer things like having religious and political dogma take away your human rights and ability to change laws that YOUR PEOPLE want changed!!!!


You need to do away with the filibuster, permanently and for everything. No other civilized country in the world has a system where the majority needs the consent of the minority to pass laws and legislation.

You need to do away with Presidential nominations and political appointments of Judges, and instead, have experience and qualifications as the basis for the various levels of federal benches.

You need to do away with lifetime appointments to the benches of the Circuit Courts and SCOTUS. Six years maximum term followed by three years standdown before possible reappointment with a maximum to two terms, and forced retirement at 65.

The system in America is broken, badly. Nothing in America is going to change until the system changes.
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Warp12 said:
I think the primary focus being on "assault weapons" is a mistake. I think more widespread restrictions on age of purchase, training and licensing requirements, checks/waiting periods, etc. are of more value.
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Well, if those other things are of more value, then the "assault weapon" restrictions must be of some value. Therefore, all of the above seem like good ideas to me.

I know that the "assault weapons" issue is problematic because of definitions, but it's not so hard that a bunch of legislators with paid staffs couldn't make it work pretty well. Sure, as soon as you pass the law, the lawyers will be poring over it to find loopholes, but that's to be expected. That isn't a reason to avoid passing the law.


The ideas of banning guns in general are just pie-in-the-sky stuff. Screeching about that is a waste of time, and counter productive.
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I agree. Has anyone done that here? I haven't noticed it. I just skimmed some of the posts, though. Maybe someone said it.
 
stanfr said:
Those photos apparently have been confirmed. The latest social media rumor is that he was transgender, with photos of him cross-dressing circulating online. Those seem highly suspect.
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There are also rumors that he is an "illegal immigrant", but those aren't true either.

ETA: The transgender photo claims are definitively untrue. They are taken from unrelated posts made by an innocent person on Reddit. The same person has posted that they're aware of the rumors using their photos but they're obviously not the shooter, who is dead.
 
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Anyone who is implacably opposed to sensible gun reform should be made to visit a massacre by gunfire immediately after the smoke clears. To hear the moans of the maimed, and the agonal breathing of the soon-to-die. To see the blood and brain matter. To smell the blood and piss and ****.
 
stanfr said:
Those photos apparently have been confirmed. The latest social media rumor is that he was transgender, with photos of him cross-dressing circulating online. Those seem highly suspect.
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I can't find the link now, but I gather that some of the "chans" (4 chan and the like) are circulating photos of a transgender person who has the same name as the shooter. It's not the shooter, just a person who unfortunately shares the same name.

But fits an agenda to claim that the shooter is trans, so haters are going to run with that. When it gets proven to not be the same person, they'll just explain it away with stupid hateful conspiracy theories if they ever even notice that their dumb trans theory has been debunked. Because people suck and that's the modern way of things.
 
Between Roe V Wade and the Republican legislators refusing common sense gun control measures I hope the voters defeat all these GOP bastards in Nov.

Yes, that is pie in the sky but as has been said today, enough is enough.

And a border patrol agent who didn't wait for back-up and is said to have taken out the shooter, that man is a hero!

Some of the kids at the school have parents in the border patrol.
 
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Now now. We have to remember that even though this doesn't happen anywhere else in the civilized world the USA is special and cannot be compared to anywhere else. These 19 school kids between 9 and 11 years old and their teachers are a necessary and acceptable sacrifice to uphold the sacred rights of a free people.

Thoughts and prayers, and then we move on like nothing happened.

See you back here next time where we'll go through the same ritual again.
 
erlando said:
Now now. We have to remember that even though this doesn't happen anywhere else in the civilized world the USA is special and cannot be compared to anywhere else. These 19 school kids between 9 and 11 years old and their teachers are a necessary and acceptable sacrifice to uphold the sacred rights of a free people.

Thoughts and prayers, and then we move on like nothing happened.

See you back here next time where we'll go through the same ritual again.
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The thread will be up and running, waiting for the next one.

And we probably won't have to wait all that long.
 
A company or parent should take these shootings into account before deciding to move to Texas for tax reasons.
 
Rolfe said:
At least 21 dead including 18 children, according to this tweet from a journalist.

https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1529244198175657986

This is horrendous. It's worse than Dunblane.

ETA: The BBC is still on 14 children and a teacher, but I think they're just behind the curve.
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To be utterly crass for a moment, the USA has 45 million kids under the age of 12. 21 of them no longer here doesn't make that much of a difference.

That many kids will die in automobile accidents over the next 5 days.

This is terrible! Just what the hell is it with US culture that even suggests killing a bunch of kids and a teacher or two is in any way an answer to any personal problems the gunman may have had?
 
Cain said:
We need to invest in the safety of our children by hardening our schools. Security guards named Kevin. Ballistic blankets. Armed faculty. Don't teach children CRT; teach them MMA.
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Yeah, but check out his Call of Duty stats.
 
Here's a bit of interesting news:

"As he tried to enter the school, he was engaged by school district police officers, but was still able to enter the building and go into multiple classrooms, DPS Sgt. Erick Estrada said. Authorities say he was armed with a rifle and carrying a backpack."

So, the school apparently had police (plural) on premises. Armed? I would think so.

And yet, this dude killed 21 anyway.

Good guys with guns didn't prevent the murders. Well, one other good guy with a gun did stop the killing, so that's good. Hwoever, the point is that even if you have armed guards, the killer is acting with the element of surprise. The good guys couldn't stop him in time.

I suppose we'll learn a bit more soon about exactly what the school cops did, and why they weren't able to prevent the mass murder.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Why is it that an uncooperative Democratic Congress can't seem to stop a willful Republican President.
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False equivalence. Biden cannot issue XO's regarding gun control measures. Those have to be passed by Congress.


Which I do once every few months when he does jack **** about serious problems.
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Thanks for proving my point.

But go on, sling handfuls of **** all you like.
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If you don't like it, stop providing it in the first place.
 
Re: comparison stats of causes of death.

Most comparisons will make no mention of those deaths occurring despite numerous systems and processes in place to minimize the occurrences. More could be done, naturally, but whether a result of diminishing returns or just no further practical means available, more effort won't change it much.

That's far and away different than something we've done essentially nothing to stop.
 
erlando said:
Now now. We have to remember that even though this doesn't happen anywhere else in the civilized world the USA is special and cannot be compared to anywhere else. These 19 school kids between 9 and 11 years old and their teachers are a necessary and acceptable sacrifice to uphold the sacred rights of a free people.

Thoughts and prayers, and then we move on like nothing happened.

See you back here next time where we'll go through the same ritual again.
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Isn't that the truth! :mad:
 
James Corden's Message After the Texas School Shooting:



He has young kids of his own and a perspective as a person from the UK.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No Lie Brian Tyler Cohen







"What are we doing?"

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I had to wait for a basketball coach to provide a bit of catharsis in this troubled time.

Which, even with the slight lift, is really depressing.

ETA: Kerr's father was shot dead while serving as President of the American University of Beirut. I would say he has some moral authority on the subject of gun violence.
 
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