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Today's Mass Shooting

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Checkmite said:
I've read something that purports to be the attacker's manifesto. It is very long, but coherently written; it complains obsessively about European/white people not having enough children and being replaced by "invaders", and exhorts that races must be kept separate from each other in order to be coexist peacefully, hewing with a disquieting specificity to some of the rhetoric employed by certain members of this forum in the last few years. He also invokes "the 14 words" slogan as a summation of his ideology.
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...some of whom are right here in this thread, whinging about the poor white victims.
 
Wildy said:
What did you think of the all the memes in the manifesto?
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Do you mean, what do I think of the memes themselves, or what do I think of the fact that he included them?

The memes are idiotic and largely unapologetically racist and antisemitic. Their inclusion demonstrates simply that he was immersed in the culture from which such memes spring.

Memes of the same general kind have existed for a long time, and there have always been many who argue that they represent unserious trolling - that there is no depth or genuine ideological underpinning to them, but they are intended simply to provoke for provocation's sake.

I've never considered that argument valid. Memes are certainly low-effort as expressions of racism go, but sincerely racist people still embrace them. And the rest of his manifesto is articulate and shows the author to be well-acquainted with the sincere arguments of genuine racists and antisemites. The "white genocide" conspiracy theory is real, and old, and prolific, and so is Jew-hate generally; 4chan coming along and making memes out of those things doesn't change that.
 
Warp12 said:
The biggest laugh will be all of the whites who actively promote the idea that white mass-shooters are a top threat to the black community. No doubt the media will jump on this narrative. Talk about a delusion...
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Delphic Oracle said:
There we have it.

We've taken this opportunity in the aftermath of a blatantly racist bloodbath to please remember the plight of the unfairly maligned white people.
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Overwhelmingly, the victims of such white-promoted disinformation campaigns are blacks themselves.
 
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Checkmite said:
I've read something that purports to be the attacker's manifesto. It is very long, but coherently written; it complains obsessively about European/white people not having enough children and being replaced by "invaders", and exhorts that races must be kept separate from each other in order to be coexist peacefully, hewing with a disquieting specificity to some of the rhetoric employed by certain members of this forum in the last few years. He also invokes "the 14 words" slogan as a summation of his ideology.
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Another shooter's manifesto that is indistinguishable from the content of Tucker Carlson's primetime TV program.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Another shooter's manifesto that is indistinguishable from the content of Tucker Carlson's primetime TV program.
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Funny you should say that - this is the headline at Redstate dot com.

Left Loses Its Mind, Blames Buffalo Mass Shooting on Tucker Carlson
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Meanwhile the disinformation campaign suggesting he's antifa has begun.
 
The Atheist said:
Funny you should say that - this is the headline at Redstate dot com.



Meanwhile the disinformation campaign suggesting he's antifa has begun.
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They wouldn't want you to guess he is your typical MAGA nut Job, I expect more of these crazies you can't stop them now.
 
Thermal said:
I don't think anyone is debating it?
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smartcooky said:
Really?
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Really. Nobody is debating that this was a racially-motivated crime.

Warp12 said:
The biggest laugh will be all of the whites who actively promote the idea that white mass-shooters are a top threat to the black community.No doubt the media will jump on this narrative. Talk about a delusion...
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Warp12 said:
Overwhelmingly, the victims of such white-promoted disinformation campaigns are blacks themselves.
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Nice try with presenting my statement out of context, though. :thumbsup:
 
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alfaniner said:
The first time I'd heard that term was yesterday, and only in relation to this incident. Maybe I'm watching all the right news channels.
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This has been a thing for quite some time in Europe, slightly altered of course: Here it's the people fleeing from war in the Middle East countries but of course they are not fleeing, they are part of a big conspiracy where they come to the rich countries in Europe, have lots of children and when the secret signal was given, they take over the country and install Islamic Law.
 
alfaniner said:
The first time I'd heard that term was yesterday, and only in relation to this incident. Maybe I'm watching all the right news channels.
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Right wing Exstreamists have been promoting the Theory since the 1930s, my Dad was Injured in a Logging accident while working in the Civilian Conservation Corps, while working for the Rosenblatts Timber Company.
He was moving Lumber and someone Sabotaged the Mule drawn dolly he was using, because he was working for a Jewish Company in Tennessee.
My family came from Quaker Abolitionist hate against people considered non White or white Traitors to the white Race, is nothing new too us.
The only thing New is one political hate group known as the Constitutionalist Libertarians have made it main stream, you can thank Ron Paul , and Donald John Trump for that.
 
  • Enabling narrative explicitly legitimizing violence*
  • Granting of social approval by popular political and religious figures*
  • Access to resources (weapons, transport, facilities)*
  • A triggering event or significant date

*These are all reworded from statements about islamic terrorism when I was trying to get at the causes back in the day; i.e., if it was caused by only by a bad actor, or if tied to ideology, and if so, the nature thereof.

More importantly, they are all also common to today's GOP, including multiple instances of threats of violence and civil war. The American Taliban, indeed. White racist ideology mixed with the unease of declining empire coinciding with domestic questioning of past glory, leading to a sense of loss of place in the world which must be regained by defeating those who so question, traitors to cause.
 
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Hlafordlaes said:
  • Enabling narrative explicitly legitimizing violence*
  • Granting of social approval by popular political and religious figures*
  • Access to resources (weapons, transport, facilities)*
  • A triggering event or significant date

*These are all reworded from statements about islamic terrorism when I was trying to get at the causes back in the day; i.e., if it was caused by only by a bad actor, or if tied to ideology, and if so, the nature thereof.

More importantly, they are all also common to today's GOP, including multiple instances of threats of violence and civil war. The American Taliban, indeed. White racist ideology mixed with the unease of declining empire coinciding with domestic questioning of past glory, leading to a sense of loss of place in the world which must be regained by defeating those who so question, traitors to cause.
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Exactly this is what I have been trying to speak out about, but no one is listening.
 
catsmate said:
Stochastic terrorism.
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Exactly.

ETA.

I was going to mention "just like ISIS"

Hlafordlaes said:
  • Enabling narrative explicitly legitimizing violence*
  • Granting of social approval by popular political and religious figures*
  • Access to resources (weapons, transport, facilities)*
  • A triggering event or significant date

*These are all reworded from statements about islamic terrorism when I was trying to get at the causes back in the day; i.e., if it was caused by only by a bad actor, or if tied to ideology, and if so, the nature thereof.

More importantly, they are all also common to today's GOP, including multiple instances of threats of violence and civil war. The American Taliban, indeed. White racist ideology mixed with the unease of declining empire coinciding with domestic questioning of past glory, leading to a sense of loss of place in the world which must be regained by defeating those who so question, traitors to cause.
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jimbob said:
Exactly.

ETA.

I was going to mention "just like ISIS"
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You can link it back to the Minute man movement, the Militia Movement, the Oath Keepers, and many other Right wing Groups inspire By World Net Daily, and Infowars, and especially Jerome Corsi who promoted these theories though his writing for years. You can link this Terrorism directly to the insane Alt Right in the GOP.
That's why they personally attacked me in 2008, to stop me from discrediting Jerome Corsi and his Racist Book Obana Nation, that's why Mitch McCoverup would have allowed me to die on the streets of Louisville Kentucky, from a knife in the back, from someone just like the Buffalo Shooter, it's Terrorism, against America and it's Citizens for political Gain!
The GOP have their Madrasas where they Teach it just like in Radical Islam Afghanistan in the 1980s.
 
I wonder if the NRA will pay tribute to Aaron Salter Jr, the guard that was killed.

After all, he was a Good Guy With A Gun.
 
Lothian said:
The top threat to the 10 dead in Buffalo turned out to be one of your white racist mates.
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Racism apologists and mainstream GOP like to pretend that the only true costs of racism are deaths like these. But the racism that leads to attacks like these also leads to a whole host of other evils. The apologists think that if they can minimize the damage of these kinds of deaths, they can also ignore all the other damage they are denying.

'Racism isn't a problem because gang violence kills more black people' is very, deeply, stupid but it's also comprehensively dishonest.
 
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