The Roe Countdown

[Warp12]

Yeah right, all those rapes and incest pregnancies will be stopped by more responsible birth control.

Of course you know that rape and incest cases are a very tiny sliver of the annual number of total abortions. We don't need to use an outlier to justify why outlawing abortion is not a good idea; it just weakens the overall case.

And besides, that isn't really the main focus, is it? The liberals don't want Roe overturned because they have worked so hard to expand and protect these freedoms, and their constituents are not going to smile upon them for losing that battle.

 

[dudalb]

In the case of Loving v. Virginia, it definitely does not.

Griswold? While there is zero chance that birth control will be restricted in the US, the reasoning behind the case would apply. I don't know what sort of comparable case will come up in the future, but this court would be less likely, in general, to overturn a state legislature. There is a huge difference between Griswold and Roe, but it isn't so huge to make them totally incomparable.

I think Obergefell v. Hodges is definitely in the sights, although I don't know if any legislature will be bold enough to actually pass a ban on same sex marriage in order to create a case. Definitely some individual legislators will want to try, but I don't know if any of them will. I think the current court would be willing to overturn Obergefell, but there are practical problems with doing it that don't exist for Roe v. Wade.

The full faith and credit problem, for one thing.
How does the work in a situation where Gay Marraige is legal in one state and illegal in the next?

 

[dudalb]

Of course you know that rape and incest cases are a very tiny sliver of the annual number of total abortions. We don't need to use an outlier to justify why outlawing abortion is not a good idea; it just weakens the overall case.

And besides, that isn't really the main focus, is it? The liberals don't want Roe overturned because they have worked so hard to expand and protect these freedoms, and their constituents are not going to smile upon them for losing that battle.

And you think those people will smile upon the party which took away their freedoms?
What reality are you living in?

 

[dudalb]

I think there is bit too much "the end is upon us" in some comments here.
SOme peole think it is cool to be as pessimistic and downbeat as possible.
That this helps nobody but their enemies seems beyond their understandng.

 

[Warp12]

And besides, that isn't really the main focus, is it? The liberals don't want Roe overturned because they have worked so hard to expand and protect these freedoms, and their constituents are not going to smile upon them for losing that battle.

And you think those people will smile upon the party which took away their freedoms?
What reality are you living in?

They wouldn't need to smile upon Republicans. They just need to not show up at the polls, or simply not vote for a Democrat. That is kind of like a smile, I guess.

 

[Emily's Cat]

“It is a shame that it happens, but there’s an opportunity for that woman – no matter how young or old she is ― to make a determination about what she’s going to do to help that life be a productive human being."
Well, no. Your proposed law removes "determination" and mandates a specific outcome.

"Determination" is a word chosen so as to avoid using the word "choice." Which this bill does not allow a woman to make.

I don't understand why you're responding to me with this?

 

[Emily's Cat]

In all of my sadness today... I did find this article that I think is well worth reading.

Men Cause 100% of Unwanted Pregnancies

As a mother of six and a Mormon, I have a good understanding of arguments surrounding abortion, religious and otherwise. When I hear men discussing women’s reproductive rights, I’m often left with the thought that they have zero interest in stopping abortion.

If you want to prevent abortion, you need to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Men seem unable (or unwilling) to admit that they cause 100% of them.

I realize that’s a bold statement. You’re likely thinking, “Wait. It takes two to tango!” While I fully agree with you in the case of intentional pregnancies, I argue that all unwanted pregnancies are caused by the irresponsible ejaculations of men. All of them.

Don't believe me?

Let’s start with this: A woman’s egg is only fertile for about two days each month. Yes, there are exceptions, because nature. But one egg which is fertile two days each month is the baseline. And those fertile eggs are produced for a limited number of years. This means, on average, women are fertile for about 24 days per year.

But men are fertile 365 days a year. In fact, if you’re a man who ejaculates multiple times a day, you could cause multiple pregnancies daily. In theory, a man could cause 1000+ unwanted pregnancies in just one year. While it’s true that sperm gets crappier as men age, it doesn’t have a fertility expiration date; men can cause unwanted pregnancies from puberty until death. So, starting with basic fertility stats and the calendar, it’s easy to see that men are the issue here.

 

[theprestige]

In all of my sadness today... I did find this article that I think is well worth reading.

Men Cause 100% of Unwanted Pregnancies

Can't get pregnant without a womb
Women cause 100% of unwanted pregnancies.

 

[smartcooky]

And so the USA continues its inexorable backwards slide into to the dark ages of misogyny, and of women losing their rights to decide anything.

They'll be burning witches before much longer.

 

[Norman Alexander]

In all of my sadness today... I did find this article that I think is well worth reading.

Men Cause 100% of Unwanted Pregnancies

Given that, perhaps the "freedom" that should be restricted is not the right to an abortion, but the right for some men to think they can rape without consequence.

 

[jnelso99]

I think there is bit too much "the end is upon us" in some comments here.
SOme peole think it is cool to be as pessimistic and downbeat as possible.
That this helps nobody but their enemies seems beyond their understandng.

Next they'll be constantly warning us of impending civil war any day now.

 

[angrysoba]

Next they'll be constantly warning us of impending civil war any day now.

Best get that rifle ready!

 

[mgidm86]

This might end up being the first time in history that a group of female citizens have decided to stage a coup.

Just joking, of course, but I am completely livid right now.

I'm pissed off too. I told my co-worker today that women could take over the world if they'd organize.

I didn't know about this news until she told me today. Disgusting. I am so ashamed to be an American, the past several years are especially embarrassing.

If this country were invaded by an outside force I would fight. An invasion from within though....bye bye. Why bother? Nothing will be fixed in my lifetime if the Repugs get control, and I only get one life. All I see is a broken system that probably can't be saved.

Again.....I am deeply ashamed to be an American.

 

[bruto]

Of course you know that rape and incest cases are a very tiny sliver of the annual number of total abortions. We don't need to use an outlier to justify why outlawing abortion is not a good idea; it just weakens the overall case.

And besides, that isn't really the main focus, is it? The liberals don't want Roe overturned because they have worked so hard to expand and protect these freedoms, and their constituents are not going to smile upon them for losing that battle.

If your idea of outlawing abortion is to outlaw the outliers, then yes bringing them up is exactly pertinent. If nothing else it shows that the people making those laws are ignorant and have a severely limited respect for life, if they even fully understand what it is. It does not matter how small that number is. If the people purporting to have a respect for life actually had any respect for the life of people who exist on earth, they could easily and readily make exceptions that do not wantonly disregard reality. Laws that make no exception for rape and incest are clear indications that the people making them have chosen the life of the unborn over the lives of the born. They can say they care for some lives, but they cannot say truthfully that they care for life itself. They are pro choice. It just happens that they have taken the choice upon themselves.

 

[dudalb]

And so the USA continues its inexorable backwards slide into to the dark ages of misogyny, and of women losing their rights to decide anything.

They'll be burning witches before much longer.

And you seem to get great joy out of what you see as the coming collapse of the US?

Just don't write the US off so quickly. A lot of people have made that mistake.

 

[dudalb]

Next they'll be constantly warning us of impending civil war any day now.

A civil war is better then accepting tyranny.
And if you think a civil war is not a possbility, you are not accepting reality.

 

[dudalb]

Best get that rifle ready!

Worked pretty good in 1776.

 

[angrysoba]

A civil war is better then accepting tyranny.
And if you think a civil war is not a possbility, you are not accepting reality.

Worked pretty good in 1776.

Oh, your message is "Don't despair... we can have a civil war! !"

I see...

 

[dudalb]

Oh, your message is "Don't despair... we can have a civil war! !"

I see...

It's better then just caving in and accepting a dictatorship.

Of course I am not a pacifist, and don't think that war is always the worst option....

 

[angrysoba]

It's better then just caving in and accepting a dictatorship.

Of course I am not a pacifist, and don't think that war is always the worst option....

Being "not a pacifist" is not the same as being all gung-ho for a civil war which is surely a situation that is fairly far off unless some people are determined to make a go of it.

The point that you seem to be missing is that most people would argue a civil war is a pretty disastrous outcome. Yet it was you wagging your finger at others for being too negative...

I think there is bit too much "the end is upon us" in some comments here.SOme peole think it is cool to be as pessimistic and downbeat as possible.That this helps nobody but their enemies seems beyond their understandng.

The idea that the USA faces a choice of extreme tyranny or civil war is, in most people's books, tantamount to being as pessimistic and downbeat as possible.

The only way you can escape the charge you make of others is to suggest that civil war is not really so bad.