The Roe Countdown

[ponderingturtle]

Stop pretending you aren’t shilling for a party of authoritarian power-mad scumbags. I don’t think even you believe it anymore.

Remember how much being a conservative is about being proudly wrong and a hypocrite, so really that sounds like par for the course.

 

[cosmicaug]

Loving and Obergefell have a different basis, so I think that although they're almost certain to be attacked too, it will be a different battle, and though I cannot think of anti-miscegenation laws as anything but utterly loathsome and worthy of absolute contempt and calumny, it would not surprise me very much if the ever-drainward spiral of Republican thought takes the party there.

If they go there, for the most part, it will be framed by politicians as a principled stand such that they'd claim to be personally repulsed by the idea of such a ban but also supporting the idea that it must be left to the states..

It will take a long time to get there, though.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I don’t know if it’s been posted already, but the Supreme Court has confirmed the authenticity of the draft.

 

[TragicMonkey]

Do look on the bright side: if the Supreme Court is now willing and able to make the correct decisions it means Trump won't have to abolish it once he takes the throne.

 

[Segnosaur]

Do look on the bright side: if the Supreme Court is now willing and able to make the correct decisions it means Trump won't have to abolish it once he takes the throne.

Nah... he'll still want to abolish it.

After all, Trump doesn't actually care about abortion. (I suspect he's probably paid for a few of them himself.) He's probably still butt-hurt that they kept ruling against him over his fake voter fraud claims and his "gotta keep my taxes secret" arguments.

 

[cosmicaug]

OMG! The poor dear! Imagine how extreme her disappointment must be! The death screams of 400 stare decisis must wear so heavily upon her mind.

The painful, mental anguish emanating from her is... overwhelming!

https://www.collins.senate.gov/newsroom/senator-collins-statement-on-leaked-dobbs-v-jackson-womens-health-organization-draft-decision:

Washington, D.C.—U.S. Senator Susan Collins issued this statement following the leak of a draft decision reportedly authored by Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization:


“If this leaked draft opinion is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office. Obviously, we won’t know each Justice’s decision and reasoning until the Supreme Court officially announces its opinion in this case.”

 

[JoeMorgue]

Amazon to Reimburse U.S. Employees up to 4,000 dollars for Abortion-Related Travel Costs.

(Yes I know Amazon is crappy. But it's important to recognize when crappy things do good things. That's what motivates the crappy things to be better."

 

[Bob001]

I just listened to a TV interview with a young woman nattering about how wonderful it will be when Roe is overturned. When the interviewer asked her if there shouldn't at least be an exception for rape or incest, she said "birth certificates don't say how a baby was conceived. All life is precious...." etc. Question: How and why do young women buy into this nonsense? That's not "the patriarchy" controlling women; that's women doing it to themselves.

 

[JoeMorgue]

So here is an actual legit question I do have.

Why now? Why not back when they got control of SCOTUS AND had the Presidency and the Senate?

 

[JoeMorgue]

I just listened to a TV interview with a young woman nattering about how wonderful it will be when Roe is overturned. When the interviewer asked her if there shouldn't at least be an exception for rape or incest, she said "birth certificates don't say how a baby was conceived. All life is precious...." etc. Question: How and why do young women buy into this nonsense? That's not "the patriarchy" controlling women; that's women doing it to themselves.

Again the whole narrative where Abortion is evil men controlling poor women doesn't work.

Women as a demographic like abortion only slightly more than men as a demographic do and neither women nor men's views on abortion have really changed all that much.

50% of women self-identify as "pro-choice."
45% of men self-identify as as "pro-choice."

It's not that big of a difference.

 

[kookbreaker]

I just listened to a TV interview with a young woman nattering about how wonderful it will be when Roe is overturned. When the interviewer asked her if there shouldn't at least be an exception for rape or incest, she said "birth certificates don't say how a baby was conceived. All life is precious...." etc. Question: How and why do young women buy into this nonsense? That's not "the patriarchy" controlling women; that's women doing it to themselves.

You just know she’s one of the women mention in this article:

https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/

 

[Beelzebuddy]

At this point they could call it the "Leopards-eating-our-own-faces-specifically Party" and it wouldn't change much.

 

[Bob001]

So here is an actual legit question I do have.

Why now? Why not back when they got control of SCOTUS AND had the Presidency and the Senate?

This is the first time that a majority of the Supreme Court has been willing to overturn Roe. The Repubs may have controlled Congress, but there was no realistic possibility that they would pass a law to ban abortion; why make half the country mad at them?

 

[Suddenly]

Except for all the stuff about actually rebelling and starting a war and so on that the south so clearly did. And they did firmly refute that idea that all men were created equal so there is that as well.

All victors claim to be the ones defending the true nature of the nation.

The 14th amendment (13th and 15th as well) fundamentally changed the nature of the Federal government in profound ways even given that it was sharply neutered by the Supreme Court.

Those changes have been the basis for the vast majority of southern political goals. The idea here isn't that the south is good, just that the pre-war United States was unworkable and not compatible with an emphasis on a less oligarchical government that treated equality and civil rights as applying to all and worth enforcing rather than only applying to those the states saw as worthy.

The key here is that those that support the purpose of the civil war amendments do themselves great disservice by overstating the role of the guys that ratified the original document as opposed to the goals of those that fundamentally changed same.

 

[Suddenly]

This is the first time that a majority of the Supreme Court has been willing to overturn Roe. The Repubs may have controlled Congress, but there was no realistic possibility that they would pass a law to ban abortion; why make half the country mad at them?

Because of how the US works politically those half do not matter at all to them. To most of these clowns it is about winning a primary, and pushing for such a ban is going to play well within that context.

It is their best issue and this is the next natural step. They are probably better off if they can't get it done and can blame that on Democrats and RINOs but that doesn't mean they won't do it if they can.

 

[Bob001]

Because of how the US works politically those half do not matter at all to them. To most of these clowns it is about winning a primary, and pushing for such a ban is going to play well within that context.

It is their best issue and this is the next natural step. They are probably better off if they can't get it done and can blame that on Democrats and RINOs but that doesn't mean they won't do it if they can.

On the other hand, the Democrats are going to try hard to pass the "Women's Health Protection Act of 2021" to protect abortion rights. But it won't be easy.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...ch":["Womens+Health+Protection+Act"]}&r=1&s=1

 

[Suddenly]

On the other hand, the Democrats are going to try hard to pass the "Women's Health Protection Act of 2021" to protect abortion rights. But it won't be easy.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...ch":["Womens+Health+Protection+Act"]}&r=1&s=1

More like impossible, and the current court would strike it down anyway. Everything other than addressing that our Supreme Court has a majority of unhinged operatives is arranging deck chairs.

A bad court making politically odious decisions held US progressivism in check between the end of reconstruction until FDR's threatened court packing. This is what is going to happen and Roe is just the beginning of all sorts of madness. They've signaled the desire to gut the federal regulatory power, etc.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

More like impossible, and the current court would strike it down anyway. Everything other than addressing that our Supreme Court has a majority of unhinged operatives is arranging deck chairs.

A bad court making politically odious decisions held US progressivism in check between the end of reconstruction until FDR's threatened court packing. This is what is going to happen and Roe is just the beginning of all sorts of madness. They've signaled the desire to gut the federal regulatory power, etc.

Building up a movement of pissed off libs is a pretty important element of any such pressure campaign.

I would expect that passing some federal abortion rights law and having it slapped down by the SCOTUS is a worthwhile exercise, if only to galvanize liberals and to drum up more support for court packing. Forcing the courts to be the bad guys is definitely preferable to the normal "our hands are tied" explanations for why Dems can't even try to do anything.

 

[Bob001]

More like impossible, and the current court would strike it down anyway. .....

I don't think you could assume that. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits Congress from passing a law regarding abortion.

 

[Random]

So here is an actual legit question I do have.

Why now? Why not back when they got control of SCOTUS AND had the Presidency and the Senate?

They only got control of the SCOTUS in October of 2018. Before that it was 4 Libs, 4 Right Wingers, and John "Yes we should push the Court to the right, but lets at least try to pretend that we are not a blatantly political body" Roberts. And pushing through a Federal Abortion Ban one month before the 2018 election would probably be bad politically, so they waited. After they lost the House in 2018, they put the Federal Abortion Ban project on the shelf.

Now that it is 3 Libs, 5 Right Wingers, and John "Hey, pay attention to me, I am still relevant! Really!" Roberts, the project can advance with the next trifecta.