Electric Vehicles
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Shalamar
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Nope. And nope.
On the Tesla, it records from 4 cameras at all times. You have to tell the car to NOT record, as well, if the battery is under 20%, it will not record.
Though the draw from recording is pretty low. Maybe 5% over an 8 hour period.
If the car is plugged in, and charging, no reason to NOT have it on sentry mode.
Sweet. That will be the 14 year olds wearing hoodies then.
Shalamar
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Only the stupid ones.
The smart ones either:
- leave the car alone, knowing it's recording, or
- record a music video for the car owner, knowing the car is recording.
Stupid and teenagers.
What an unbelievable mixture.
Any way they just need a pair of these
They cost about 6 dollars and could take out a whole street
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TheGoldcountry
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People ******* with other peoples' cars isn't some new phenomenon that somehow just affects electric cars.
Shalamar
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Are you implying that Electric Cars should not exist because some stupid teenagers might try to kill themselves by attempting to cut EV charging cables?
Not at all.
I think EV's are a cool concept. Just think it is inevitable.
By rhe way. You can't kill yourself cutting an EV charging cable. I would bore you with the reason but I have a feeling you know why.
bruto
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Are you sure about that last part? "Can't" might be pushing it a bit. While it's true that if you're wearing rubber soles and using an insulated cutter you're probably only going to get sparks and ruin your cutter, shorting out a 240 volt cable with a 40 amp breaker while standing on the ground is probably not the healthiest thing to be doing.
e.t.a. I'm here assuming that most people who spring for an EV are going to get a proper charger and not just run a 120 volt extension cord that charges it up in four days.
But thinking about it, I think, rather than pranksters, I'd be worried about copper thieves. Good rubber soled shoes and a nice big axe, and you could score a whole lot of scrap metal in a night of roaming!
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Segnosaur
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I am not necessarily saying you are wrong. (I do agree that for some people, cost savings might not justify the capital cost of purchasing an electric, or make such a purchase a bit more questionable.)
But I do have to question your "$30 every 7500miles" claim.
I am in a similar situation... I own a Hyundai Accent that's about 10 years old, runs good, haven't had significant problems.
I do have to bring it in for maintenance every 6000km or so. But, not every visit to the garage is just for oil... every second visit does a more extensive "change filters/oil hinges/check belts/etc.". Now some of those things would need to be done on an electric (such as changing the cabin air filter), but some of those are unique to gas-powered vehicles (such as checking timing belts).
My basic maintenance costs are probably closer to $300-600 per year.
Shalamar
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Amusingly enough, one of the problems I have with my Tesla is the lack of oil changes. I now have to remember to top off my own windshield washer fluid, and check the cabin filter myself!
bruto
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I suppose I cheat because I do my own, so it's the cost of oil and filter.
I'm sure the economy of ICE versus electric is not entirely that black and white for many especially those who finance their cars and take them in for service at the stealership. But still, the cost difference is real, and hard to make up if the car you're currently driving is, like the Accent, one of the cheapest cars there is.
For people who finance, of course, often a few more dollars a month doesn't really register, but whether they spend that on electric or on tarting up their gas cars remains to be seen.
I must confess that some of my electric hesitation comes, not from the usual sources, but from a luddite reluctance to become so connected and gadget-ridden. New cars are already more gadgety than I like, and I think it's no surprise that some of the cars now cussed as the most unreliable are so because of electrical and electronic defects.
I like the idea Ford has come up with recently of "crate" electric conversons for classics. Electrify your 1978 F-150? Great. I should have saved mine. Or my 85 Honda Civic. A perfect electric car for me, with no power windows, no entertainment center, no ABS, no power steering, no AC. Just a car that did car stuff, which alas had a timing belt and an interference engine.
I'm sure the economy of ICE versus electric is not entirely that black and white for many especially those who finance their cars and take them in for service at the stealership. But still, the cost difference is real, and hard to make up if the car you're currently driving is, like the Accent, one of the cheapest cars there is.
For people who finance, of course, often a few more dollars a month doesn't really register, but whether they spend that on electric or on tarting up their gas cars remains to be seen.
I must confess that some of my electric hesitation comes, not from the usual sources, but from a luddite reluctance to become so connected and gadget-ridden. New cars are already more gadgety than I like, and I think it's no surprise that some of the cars now cussed as the most unreliable are so because of electrical and electronic defects.
I like the idea Ford has come up with recently of "crate" electric conversons for classics. Electrify your 1978 F-150? Great. I should have saved mine. Or my 85 Honda Civic. A perfect electric car for me, with no power windows, no entertainment center, no ABS, no power steering, no AC. Just a car that did car stuff, which alas had a timing belt and an interference engine.
Sorta. As in EVs are part of the "Culture War" in a way other cars just aren't, so you have to factor in "Idiots on the Right are going to **** with you just because" to some degree.
"Coal Vape."
The Leaf has no battery cooling - it makes their batteries wear out much faster than other brands of EV. For that reason you can't really extrapolate battery longevity from the Leaf to the other brands. The batteries of other brands might last 2x to as much 5x longer than the Leaf.
We don't really know how long batteries with good thermal management last yet, because the tech hasn't been around long enough to get a really clear idea. Some have worn out, but not enough to get a super clear idea of what the average might be.
In that regard the Leaf is about the worst major brand EV out there. Nice looking cars, and about the lowest cost major brand EV - but the batteries just don't hold out long compared to the competition.
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I've readily admitted in the past that the fact that the EV market has perpetually been 6 months from a breakthrough new battery tech that was going to revolutionize the entire industry for about 30 years now has been bothersome. The fact that the most expensive bestest highest performance EV still uses a battery that is the same basic tech as a budget laptop battery from 2007 is... like not a non-factor.
Countless magic new battery techs, Hydrogen, fuel cells, hell compressed air.. were all gonna be the next big thing at one time or another and we're still on Lithium Ion Batteries waiting on a some new that doesn't seem to want to ever come.
Countless magic new battery techs, Hydrogen, fuel cells, hell compressed air.. were all gonna be the next big thing at one time or another and we're still on Lithium Ion Batteries waiting on a some new that doesn't seem to want to ever come.
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