Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Bob001 said:
The administration isn't "endorsing" anything. In a direct response to things like the crazy Texas laws, it is simply affirming that standard science-based medical care is not child abuse.
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Please show the scientific basis for prescribing trans-affirming hormone treatment and surgery to prepubescent children. Please show the scientific basis for diagnosing prepubescent children with a condition that requires such treatment.

Such scientific reasoning has been requested repeatedly in The Other Thread, with no good answer. If the Biden administration is using such reasoning on this issue, I would very much like to see it, either here or there.
 
theprestige said:
Please show the scientific basis for prescribing trans-affirming hormone treatment and surgery to prepubescent children. Please show the scientific basis for diagnosing prepubescent children with a condition that requires such treatment.

Such scientific reasoning has been requested repeatedly in The Other Thread, with no good answer. If the Biden administration is using such reasoning on this issue, I would very much like to see it, either here or there.
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I'm not the person to answer that question. The point is that it is a complex medical issue, to be resolved by physicians, psychiatrists and psychologists, parents and the children themselves. What's utterly wrong is making it a crime for parents to seek competent medical advice and treatment for their children.

And who is giving surgery to pre-pubescent children? Has that ever happened? The NIH says this:
Some transgender individuals might also wish to access gender-affirming surgeries during adolescence;
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30528161/

And there's this:
Genital surgery, the last phase of the process, is generally restricted to adults. The World Professional Association for Transgender Health guidelines state that genital surgery shouldn't be performed until the patient reaches the age of majority, which is at least 18 across the U.S. — and there are many other factors besides age that should also be considered.
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https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-levine-does-not-support-gender-confirmation/
 
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theprestige said:
Please show the scientific basis for prescribing trans-affirming hormone treatment and surgery to prepubescent children. Please show the scientific basis for diagnosing prepubescent children with a condition that requires such treatment.

Such scientific reasoning has been requested repeatedly in The Other Thread, with no good answer. If the Biden administration is using such reasoning on this issue, I would very much like to see it, either here or there.
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Bob001 said:
I'm not the person to answer that question.
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Of course you are:
Bob001 said:
The administration isn't "endorsing" anything. In a direct response to things like the crazy Texas laws, it is simply affirming that standard science-based medical care is not child abuse.
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That's you saying the administration is affirming that trans-affirming treatments for prepubescent children is "standard science-based medical care".

If you're not the person that knows the scientific basis, and doesn't know if the administration actually has a scientific basis, then why are you the person saying that's what the administration is doing?
 
Bob001 said:
I'm not the person to answer that question. The point is that it is a complex medical issue, to be resolved by physicians, psychiatrists and psychologists, parents and the children themselves. What's utterly wrong is making it a crime for parents to seek competent medical advice and treatment for their children.
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Good answer. Isn't it the Republicans who are having a crap fit over "parents' rights" when it comes to what's being taught in the classroom or a mask mandate in schools? Yet, they don't seem to have that same concern when it comes to parents' rights over their children's medical/psychological concerns.

What is really so stupid about this whole thing is that these idiots think a parent would put their child through this kind of treatment unless it was absolutely necessary. What do think they'll do? "Oh, I wanted a girl so let's turn Joey into Joanna!"? Make their little boy wear dresses against his will? It's just more of their constant fear mongering and making a problem where none exists because they have problems regarding anyone who's not "straight".
 
theprestige said:
Of course you are:
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That's you saying the administration is affirming that trans-affirming treatments for prepubescent children is "standard science-based medical care".

If you're not the person that knows the scientific basis, and doesn't know if the administration actually has a scientific basis, then why are you the person saying that's what the administration is doing?
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Here's what the administration says for itself:
The Biden administration is commemorating International Transgender Day of Visibility with new policy actions to support trans communities facing a wave of discriminative legislation at the state level.

The newly announced measures will include policies aimed at improving mental health among trans children, helping trans people gain easier access to government services, and providing additional gender identification options at the airport.
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/mar/31/biden-measures-to-support-transgender-people

The goal is to prevent discrimination and abuse, not prescribe treatment. Do you claim that standard medical care is not science-based?

And here's what the Mayo Clinic says:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/transgender-facts/art-20266812
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...horia/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Putin was going to try to get Trump to arrange a peace deal in the Donbass Region, so that putin would gain access to Crimea via a land bridge, in return Ukraine would be granted Natural gas and other cookies from Russia, as long as they didn't enter NATO.
When Biden Won that was now Impossible, so Putin Invaded Trying to take by Force what his Puppet could no longer do.
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I think I see where you're coming from, given that IIRC, Trump was one small step away from that with his stance that Ukraine should make a deal with Russia on Russia's terms. I think where we disagree might have more to do with how much we think Putin had faith in Trump's chances of success. I think that virtually anyone being even remotely objective would have no faith in Trump's ability on that front and that includes Putin. With no faith in Trump's chances, using a peace deal ploy with Trump would only delay any timetable slightly, if even that, given that it would be little more than a propaganda ploy. Trump's ability to get the US out of NATO, which Trump was practically promising to do, on the other hand, would be much more likely to be worth a delay.
 
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Aridas said:
I think I see where you're coming from, given that IIRC, Trump was one small step away from that with his stance that Ukraine should make a deal with Russia on Russia's terms. I think where we disagree might have more to do with how much we think Putin had faith in Trump's chances of success. I think that virtually anyone being even remotely objective would have no faith in Trump's ability on that front and that includes Putin. With no faith in Trump's chances, using a peace deal ploy with Trump would only delay any timetable slightly, if even that, given that it would be little more than a propaganda ploy. Trump's ability to get the US out of NATO, which Trump was practically promising to do, on the other hand, would be much more likely to be worth a delay.
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Maybe a win win, though. Get what you want if the deal succeeds, or point to Ukraine's obstinate refusal to take a deal if it fails as an excuse for war.
 
Aridas said:
To poke at another Biden Scandal of the moment, the Daily Show had a bit of fun.

Trump erased seven hours of phone logs on Jan. 6, but Joe Biden almost choked on spicy pizza — the worst scandal in presidential history.
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MY GOD! This is worse than the Tan Suit Scandal of 2014! Just when we thought Biden couldn't get any weaker, he goes and shows he can't even handle a jalapeño! What next? Needing two hands to drink from a glass? Help to walk down a ramp? I'm stockpiling MREs, water, and toilet paper. The End is Near.
 
I guess there is something to all this. The real question is, how much will it impact the President?

Investigations turn up the heat on Hunter Biden
https://news.yahoo.com/investigations-turn-up-the-heat-on-hunter-biden-181446449.html

No clear-cut evidence of wrongdoing by President Biden has emerged. But this week Republicans resurrected questions they have raised for years: whether Hunter Biden’s dealings with CEFC China Energy, the Chinese company that paid him and his uncle around $5 million in 2017, may have exposed the president to potential conflicts of interest with regard to the Chinese government.
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Hmmm...

Further proof emerged this week of a financial relationship between President Biden’s son Hunter, the president’s brother James and a Chinese company with reportedly close ties to that country’s ruling Communist Party.


In addition, the Wall Street Journal reported this week that the Justice Department’s probe into Hunter Biden is gaining momentum.
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This is good news for Republicans, I'd say. Even in the remote chance that President Biden isn't actually a typically corrupt politician (what are the odds after so many years in the game?), hopefully they will be able to spin this into something damaging. Combine a bad economy with some corruption and you've struck political gold.
 
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Warp12 said:
I guess there is something to all this. The real question is, how much will it impact the President?

Investigations turn up the heat on Hunter Biden
https://news.yahoo.com/investigations-turn-up-the-heat-on-hunter-biden-181446449.html




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This is good news for Republicans, I'd say. Even in the remote chance that President Biden isn't actually a typically corrupt politician (what are the odds after so many years in the game?), hopefully they will be able to spin this into something damaging. Combine a bad economy with some corruption and you've struck political gold.
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Why would that be a good thing?
Do you believe that any likely GOP candidate would be better for the job?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Why would that be a good thing?
Do you believe that any likely GOP candidate would be better for the job?
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Why wouldn't he think that it's OK to spin it into something damaging even if Biden isn't guilty? After all, he thinks KBJ "deserves this political persecution", "painful" and "smearing" experience.
 
Warp12 said:
This is good news for Republicans, I'd say. Even in the remote chance that President Biden isn't actually a typically corrupt politician (what are the odds after so many years in the game?), hopefully they will be able to spin this into something damaging. Combine a bad economy with some corruption and you've struck political gold.
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The Great Zaganza said:
Why would that be a good thing?
Do you believe that any likely GOP candidate would be better for the job?
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Why wouldn't it be great for Republicans?

If you mean "who is more qualified for the job", since when does that matter? That isn't why Biden selected Levine, Buttigiege, and Jackson. Unless you count being trans, gay, or a black woman as "qualifications".

It's politics, baby. This is all about votes. And I believe the Republicans should weaponize everything they can in order to sink Biden. They would be foolish not to. If that means distorting the facts, so be it. Dems are in no position to complain about that.
 
Warp12 said:
Why wouldn't it be great for Republicans?

If you mean "who is more qualified for the job", since when does that matter? That isn't why Biden selected Levine, Buttigiege, and Jackson. Unless you count being trans, gay, or a black woman as "qualifications".

It's politics, baby. This is all about votes. And I believe the Republicans should weaponize everything they can in order to sink Biden. They would be foolish not to. If that means distorting the facts, so be it. Dems are in no position to complain about that.
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Yes, they are, but that's beside the point.

I'm just curious that, at best, you treat politics like a football game, taking for granted that it will never have any positive impact on our lives.
 
I find it rather odd that someone who claims to dislike Trump and who claims he isn't a "Trump supporter" thinks it's necessary for Republicans to do everything they can to "sink" Biden when Trump will likely be the GOP candidate. I guess it's better to have mentally ill, malignant narcissist, pathological liar, and sociopath as POTUS than a Democrat in the 'conservative' mind. That's rather warped thinking imo.
 
Stacyhs said:
On that note, if one feels spurred to action by Warp12's callous disregard for a better future... one can feel free to donate to the eight most important (and winnable) Senate races for Democrats to win in 2020.
Um........
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Hey, if Trump is going to fight future elections based on his false "stop the steal" of the 2020 election, at the very least the Democrats should fight past elections too.
 
Stacyhs said:
I find it rather odd that someone who claims to dislike Trump and who claims he isn't a "Trump supporter" thinks it's necessary for Republicans to do everything they can to "sink" Biden when Trump will likely be the GOP candidate. I guess it's better to have mentally ill, malignant narcissist, pathological liar, and sociopath as POTUS than a Democrat in the 'conservative' mind. That's rather warped thinking imo.
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The Republican governor of New Hampshire had something to say about Trump:
Sununu set up his joke at the Gridiron dinner by citing the possibility that Trump would return to the presidency after the 2024 election. He cited the “experience,” “passion” and “sense of integrity” Trump demonstrated in his tweets.

“Nah, I’m just kidding,” Sununu said. “He’s [expletive] crazy.”

Sununu added: “The press often will ask me if I think Donald Trump is crazy. And I’ll say it this way: I don’t think he’s so crazy that you could put him in a mental institution. But I think if he were in one, he ain’t getting out.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/04/chris-sununu-gop-trump/
 
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