The Jan. 6 Investigation

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Stacyhs said:
Finally. It's about time.
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If only...

HuffPo today: Merrick Garland, 'Do Your Job,' Says Frustrated Member Of House Panel Probing Capitol Riot
Contempt of Congress charges languish with the Department of Justice as the select committee's members fume at the attorney general. ...

Members complained of a lack of support from the Justice Department and were annoyed that criminal contempt of Congress charges have not yet been filed against former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows for failure to comply with a subpoena from the committee.

The backlog is likely to grow with the expected recommendation by the House panel to bring criminal contempt of Congress charges against Donald Trump’s former trade adviser Peters Navarro and ally Dan Scavino.
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Garland moved against Bannon but what has happened to enforce that contempt charge. Not much yet.

Court to hear arguments in dispute between Steve Bannon and DOJ ahead of his contempt of Congress trial
With his contempt of Congress trial four months away, Steve Bannon and the Justice Department are tussling over how much the former Trump adviser will be able to pin his defiance of Congress on the legal advice he received before refusing to cooperate with the House committee investigating the Capitol insurrection.

That pretrial dispute -- and a tangential one, centered on how the Justice Department went about investigating the counsel Bannon received -- will be argued Wednesday before a federal judge in DC.
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Lots of details there worth a glance.


Newsweek: January 6 Committee Sends Message to AG Merrick Garland: 'Do Your Job'
So far, the committee has referred three people to the House for possible contempt—former White House advisor Steve Bannon, Trump's chief of staff Mark Meadows, and former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clarke.

Clarke later complied with his subpoena and showed up for a deposition, while Bannon was charged with two counts of contempt of court for defying subpoenas and refusing to answer questions from the committee—just three weeks after the full House held him in contempt.

However, a decision from the DoJ has still not been made on Meadows after he refused to comply with his subpoena, which has now been met with scrutiny from the committee.
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Trump: “I have no idea what a burner phone is, to the best of my knowledge I have never even heard the term.”

Bolton: he knows what there are. We had discussions involving the term.

No one in the history of the US has ever had more practice lying than Trump and that’s the best he could do? We need way more people laughing at Trump’s claims
Anyone claiming that Trump has the emotions and intellect of an adult needs to look at the evidence and STFU.
 
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Stacyhs said:
Frustrating as hell!
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Biden picking Garland was a strange choice.

Obama nominated Garland because he's was an inoffensive moderate that he hoped McConnell might allow to become a SCOTUS judge. That gambit didn't work. Libs made Garland out to be some kind of hero out of the whole fight for some reason. He's not some liberal lion, he was a compromise candidate.

Biden came into his presidency knowing that huge legal fights against Trump would be very likely, and that the AG would be a very important role and he selects some spineless squish. An unforced error.

I'd say the odds are good Garland is going to decide it would be improper for the DOJ to do anything about a brazenly criminal president, just like every other enabler that has paved the way for Trump.
 
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phiwum said:
I haven't quite been following your discussion, but as I understand it, you're a conservative at heart who's feeling a bit adrift.

I'm not a conservative, always have considered myself a bit moderate, in the sense that I lean conservative on some issues and liberal on others. But even from my perspective, the changes in the Republican party for the past several decades are distressing. They are just not behaving as decent, intelligent folk.

I saw Rob Portman in an interview yesterday. He's retiring from the Senate this year. Man, I'll miss him. Not only did I agree with most of what he said, it was just a breath of fresh air to hear a Republican fairly and intelligently criticize the President. When I disagree with him, at least I hear an argument and not bluster and spittle.
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Thanks for the post. No I'm not conservative at heart. I have been shown the errors of my ways.

I discovered I was merely a liberal hater. Once the people at ISF (and the stupidity of Trump and the gang) finally got through to me it has been a domino effect - issue after issue falling apart before my eyes.

This only helped improve my critical thinking skills (my opinion of course haha). I am much less afraid to be wrong.

I think a lot of Republicans are simply liberal haters. They have nothing positive to say about their own party. It's all fear mongering and once you finally see it it's laughably stupid.

Problem is we need a functioning Republican (or second) party just to keep checks and balances, but we do not have that now.

I wrote a very long post here about my changed views once I returned to ISF after about a year off, and thanked everyone and gave them credit for changing my mind. :thumbsup:
 
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mgidm86 said:
Thanks for the post. No I'm not conservative at heart. I have been shown the errors of my ways.

I discovered I was merely a liberal hater. Once the people at ISF (and the stupidity of Trump and the gang) finally got through to me it has been a domino effect - issue after issue falling apart before my eyes.

This only helped improve my critical thinking skills (my opinion of course haha). I am much less afraid to be wrong.

I think a lot of Republicans are simply liberal haters. They have nothing positive to say about their own party. It's all fear mongering and once you finally see it it's laughably stupid.
Problem is we need a functioning Republican (or second) party just to keep checks and balances, but we do not have that now.

I wrote a very long post here about my changed views once I returned to ISF after about a year off, and thanked everyone and gave them credit for changing my mind. :thumbsup:
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This pretty much matches the agenda (if you can call it that) of the current Republican party. Apart from giving their rich donors tax cuts, and clinging on to power no matter the cost to American democracy, they do not really have a policy on anything, and they stand for nothing.

While Democrats are focusing on rebuilding infrastructure, climate change, reusable energy, creating more jobs, achieving better working conditions for American workers, building a fairer society and investigating the criminal activities of the previous president and those around him, the Republicans are focusing on Mr Potatohead, the war on Christmas, bleating about cancel culture, stacking the Federal court system with conservative leaning judges and clutching their pearls over Critical Race Theory, as evidenced by their theatre performance in the confirmation hearings of Ketanji Brown-Jackson - a performance that was little more than a presentation of political talking points for their next election campaign.
 
mgidm86 said:
Thanks for the post. No I'm not conservative at heart. I have been shown the errors of my ways.

I discovered I was merely a liberal hater. Once the people at ISF (and the stupidity of Trump and the gang) finally got through to me it has been a domino effect - issue after issue falling apart before my eyes.

This only helped improve my critical thinking skills (my opinion of course haha). I am much less afraid to be wrong.

I think a lot of Republicans are simply liberal haters. They have nothing positive to say about their own party. It's all fear mongering and once you finally see it it's laughably stupid.

Problem is we need a functioning Republican (or second) party just to keep checks and balances, but we do not have that now.

I wrote a very long post here about my changed views once I returned to ISF after about a year off, and thanked everyone and gave them credit for changing my mind. :thumbsup:
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You sound like my late father who died in 2003, so long before Trump came on the scene and the GOP went off the deep end completely. He was born and raised in conservative Montana and was a career military man who voted Republican for most of his life before he realized he just didn't agree with them any longer. He left the GOP and became a Democrat about 15 or so years before he died.
 
Aridas said:
To add to the previous blank call log...

Revealed: Trump used White House phone for call on January 6 that was not on official log

Trump’s call to Republican senator should have been reflected in presidential call log on day of Capitol attack but wasn’t

Much more direct evidence of coverup, in short.
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From the first link: "But the origin of the call as coming from an official White House phone, which has not been previously reported, raises the prospect of tampering or deletion by Trump White House officials."


I'm shocked! Shocked beyond words! :shocked: :jaw-dropp
 
This is scary ****, Frontline on the effort to overturn the election.

PLOT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION
A year after President Joe Biden’s inauguration, around two-thirds of Republican voters believe his election was illegitimate, and the idea that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump is now a defining issue of the Republican Party. Yet the story of how lies about election fraud made their way to the center of American politics has not been fully told.

In a new investigative collaboration, FRONTLINE and ProPublica trace the hidden sources of misinformation about the 2020 election, demonstrating how a handful of people have had an outsized impact on the current U.S. crisis of democratic legitimacy.
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There are a lot of details here I didn't know occurred.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This is scary ****, Frontline on the effort to overturn the election.

PLOT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION


There are a lot of details here I didn't know occurred.
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Scary? Its bloody terrifying.

Less than a dozen people were responsible for running a nationwide disinformation campaign that duped millions of Americans into believing the Big Lie.
 
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Stacyhs said:
From the first link: "But the origin of the call as coming from an official White House phone, which has not been previously reported, raises the prospect of tampering or deletion by Trump White House officials."





I'm shocked! Shocked beyond words! :shocked: :jaw-dropp
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Seems par for the course. Stall in court. Get overruled. Comply incorrectly and omit anything inconvenient. Make it require a new court order to do it the right way.

Then "Okay! We found the missing call data, sorry about that. Technical probelms suck, amirite? Here you go." *submits revised log containing only the two calls that were used to prove omission*

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Oath Keepers' emails discussed 'protecting' Rep. Ronny Jackson (R, TX) during the attack on the Capitol.
Members of the far-right Oath Keepers group allegedly exchanged messages about the safety of Republican Texas Rep. Ronny Jackson — who was also Donald Trump's former White House doctor — during the chaos of the U.S. Capitol riot.

The messages, one of which said Jackson must be protected because he has "critical data," were part of a batch of newly released messages from members of the alleged Jan. 6, 2021 conspirators, according to a new court filing from one of the defendants. Accused Oath Keeper Edward Vallejo of Arizona is seeking release from pretrial detention and submitted a lengthy court filing ahead of an Apr. 29 court hearing on his request. The 337-page filing includes dozens of pages of messages allegedly exchanged by members of the Oath Keepers in the days prior to Jan. 6, 2021 and during the peak of the violence that day.

The message exchanges include a series of comments, instructions, and replies from Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes who, along with Vallejo, is part of a group of members of the far-right organization charged with seditious conspiracy and facing trial later this year.

According to some of the messages included in Vallejo's court filing, one member of the group expresses concern about Jackson's safety during the Capitol siege. Rhodes responded, "Give him my cell."

According to another message included in the court filing, a member of the group wrote, "Dr. Ronnie Jackson - on the move. Needs protection. If anyone inside cover him. He has critical data to protect."
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I wonder what 'critical data' these fools think Jackson had?
 
Stacyhs said:
Oath Keepers' emails discussed 'protecting' Rep. Ronny Jackson (R, TX) during the attack on the Capitol.


I wonder what 'critical data' these fools think Jackson had?
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URL seems borked. I was able to fix it in the address bar.

A question to raise is why they thought any of the reps needed protection, and what from.

To everyone else the answer is obvious. But for someone presumably claiming their group didn't intend violence, it seems like one they should have to answer.
 
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