Being a racist while having a soft skull

[johnny karate]

Considering the plea (battery), it wasn't that light. Two years house arrest and 200 hours of community Service is nothing to pooh-pooh as trivial for a single punch with provocation.

Thus the qualifier "relatively".

In Florida, felony battery carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

Pujols is getting zero prison time.

Hardly a sentence befitting the unhinged violent lunatic that racists wish to portray him as.

 

[Warp12]

Hardly a sentence befitting the unhinged violent lunatic that racists wish to portray him as.

Yes, that is exactly what "more prone to violence than average" means.

Who are these "racists" of which you speak? Who is calling this guy a lunatic?

 

[Thermal]

Thus the qualifier "relatively".

In Florida, felony battery carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

Pujols is getting zero prison time.

Hardly a sentence befitting the unhinged violent lunatic that racists wish to portray him as.

Point taken. But surely you get Warp12's point? Most people don't punch other people in the face. Do you?

We could do a brief sampling poll here. I'll go first: I have been called quite literally every racial slur, applicable or not, that I am aware of, and several with creative embellishments. Also every conceivable sexual situation known even to a depraved and creative sadistic mind. Pretty much the gamult of name-calling.

I have preemptively punched exactly zero people. Further, I cannot think of anything a senior citizen could call me that would cause me to punch him. Character note: I am neither small, timid, not pacifist.

Anybody else?

 

[johnny karate]

Yes, that is exactly what "more prone to violence than average" means.

The entirety of Pujols record of violent and criminal behavior is a single punch.

You've yet to explain how this makes him more prone to violence than average.

Who are these "racists" of which you speak? Who is calling this guy a lunatic?

You repeatedly characterize him as dangerously violent. You questioned his emotional stability. Your intent is crystal clear.

 

[johnny karate]

Point taken. But surely you get Warp12's point? Most people don't punch other people in the face. Do you?

We could do a brief sampling poll here. I'll go first: I have been called quite literally every racial slur, applicable or not, that I am aware of, and several with creative embellishments. Also every conceivable sexual situation known even to a depraved and creative sadistic mind. Pretty much the gamult of name-calling.

I have preemptively punched exactly zero people. Further, I cannot think of anything a senior citizen could call me that would cause me to punch him. Character note: I am neither small, timid, not pacifist.

Anybody else?

Regarding the bolded and highlighted: Does that mean you have punched someone in other circumstances?

Also, determining what makes someone "more prone to violence than average" would require something resembling actual data. Not anecdotes and a straw poll on an internet forum.

 

[Warp12]

You repeatedly characterize him as dangerously violent.

I've stated that he seems more prone to violence than average. And, that the average emotionally stable person is not going to assault someone 50 years their senior when called a name. Controversial? I think not, but I guess it is to you.

Is he dangerously violent? Well, he was in this case:

1) He physically assaulted a 77 y/o who only called him a name. That is violent.
2) The assault led to the guy dying. I'd say that qualifies his actions as dangerous.

I didn't say he was an "unhinged lunatic", as you put it.

 

[Thermal]

Regarding the bolded and highlighted: Does that mean you have punched someone in other circumstances?

What the hell does that have to do with anything? To answer the nonsensical query honestly: yes, in "other circumstances" I have punched more people than I can count. Bit of a fan of sparring for my entire adult life. Never in a street situation, though.

Also, determining what makes someone "more prone to violence than average" would require something resembling actual data. Not anecdotes and a straw poll on an internet forum.

We can quite easily apply a reasonable person standard here informally.

Predictably, you're ducking the question. What could someone call you that would make you punch them? Why? How many times have you witnessed such an attack, or been aware of friends or family doing so?

Is this really common behavior? Average? I'm skeptical.

 

[johnny karate]

I've stated that he seems more prone to violence than average. And, that the average emotionally stable person is not going to assault someone 50 years their senior when called a name. Controversial? I think not, but I guess it is to you.

Is he dangerously violent? Well, he was in this case:

1) He physically assaulted a 77 y/o who only called him a name. That is violent.
2) The assault led to the guy dying. I'd say that qualifies his actions as dangerous.

I didn't say he was an "unhinged lunatic", as you put it.

You admitted to having an arrest record.

I've never been arrested.

Therefore you are more prone to criminal behavior than average.

Fair assessment?

 

[plague311]

Regarding the bolded and highlighted: Does that mean you have punched someone in other circumstances?

Also, determining what makes someone "more prone to violence than average" would require something resembling actual data. Not anecdotes and a straw poll on an internet forum.

You realize you're going to get nowhere with this, right?

I don't think anyone really needs to defend Pujol's in this case as I think anyone looking at it realizes the truth about what happened. The two people so interested in this topic are the same people that repeatedly and steadfastly argue against literally every single "while black" thread. Not for any racial reasons, of course, just to make sure people don't blame actions on racism undeservedly. That's a real problem, ya know.

It's not at all surprising in the least bit that now we have a situation where racism was a factor but there is still a need to show the black guy is wrong, violent, dangerous, etc. For some reason that's vital! I'm sure there are several reasons why that is, and again, nothing to do with race. At all. Ever. In any situation. Ever. EVER.

 

[Warp12]

You admitted to having an arrest record.

I've never been arrested.

Therefore you are more prone to criminal behavior than average.

Fair assessment?

Maybe, but questionable.

Nearly half of black males and almost 40 percent of white males are arrested by the age 23.

Just Facts: As Many Americans Have Criminal Records as College Diplomas
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ricans-have-criminal-records-college-diplomas

But, I've never been arrested for a violent crime, never convicted of anything besides a misdemeanor offense, and certainly I have not killed anyone via violence or otherwise. So, I am not sure why this matters?

 

[johnny karate]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? To answer the nonsensical query honestly: yes, in "other circumstances" I have punched more people than I can count. Bit of a fan of sparring for my entire adult life. Never in a street situation, though.

The point is that there are people who would look at that as indicative of violent behavior and therefore consider you to be "more prone to violence than average".

Personal judgements have no bearing on determining Pujols proclivity for violence relative to the general population.

We can quite easily apply a reasonable person standard here informally.

Predictably, you're ducking the question. What could someone call you that would make you punch them? Why? How many times have you witnessed such an attack, or been aware of friends or family doing so?

The question isn't relevant, because again, individual personal judgements don't tell us anything. We all understand that this is something you would never, ever do under any circumstances. You've made that abundantly clear. But it ultimately isn't very informative.

Is this really common behavior? Average? I'm skeptical.

The claim was made that Pujols is "more prone to violence than average".

That's the claim that needs to be substantiated.

 

[Thermal]

You realize you're going to get nowhere with this, right?

I don't think anyone really needs to defend Pujol's in this case as I think anyone looking at it realizes the truth about what happened. The two people so interested in this topic are the same people that repeatedly and steadfastly argue against literally every single "while black" thread. Not for any racial reasons, of course, just to make sure people don't blame actions on racism undeservedly. That's a real problem, ya know.

It's not at all surprising in the least bit that now we have a situation where racism was a factor but there is still a need to show the black guy is wrong, violent, dangerous, etc. For some reason that's vital! I'm sure there are several reasons why that is, and again, nothing to do with race. At all. Ever. In any situation. Ever. EVER.

plague. Real talk for a second, bro.

For years on these fora, I have taken an interest in topics of interpersonal conflict and fighting. I've said so many times, and been active on many such threads. You might have noticed I was recently a bit vocal on the Rittenhouse thread. Perhaps you didn't notice.

I've trained in martial arts most of my adult life, and am highly interested, both philosophically and practically, in use of force. That is my interest here, as it always is. As it was in Kyle. As it was in Arbery. As in all the others.

I have never once in these threads defended a black man's murderers, as you and others repeatedly lie about. It's really getting old.

 

[johnny karate]

Maybe?


Just Facts: As Many Americans Have Criminal Records as College Diplomas
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...ricans-have-criminal-records-college-diplomas

But, I've never been arrested for a violent crime, never convicted of anything besides a misdemeanor offense, and certainly I have not killed anyone via violence or otherwise. So, I am not sure why this matters?

I've never been arrested or convicted of anything. Therefore, you are more prone to criminal behavior. Therefore, it is fair game to refer to you as a criminal and associate you with all the negative connotations that go along with criminal behavior. No nuance or situational context required. Agreed?

And it seems that you can provide data to support your claims.

Now do the same for your claim claim that Pujols is "more prone to violence than average".

 

[Emily's Cat]

Point taken. But surely you get Warp12's point? Most people don't punch other people in the face. Do you?

We could do a brief sampling poll here. I'll go first: I have been called quite literally every racial slur, applicable or not, that I am aware of, and several with creative embellishments. Also every conceivable sexual situation known even to a depraved and creative sadistic mind. Pretty much the gamult of name-calling.

I have preemptively punched exactly zero people. Further, I cannot think of anything a senior citizen could call me that would cause me to punch him. Character note: I am neither small, timid, not pacifist.

Anybody else?

I've been called all sorts of degrading slurs, verbally abused for having a black father, and had people yelling in my face so hard I got their frothy saliva all over my glasses. I've been threatened with rape, beatings, and death by people standing in front of me. Somehow, I've managed not to preemptively assault any of them.

 

[johnny karate]

I've been called all sorts of degrading slurs, verbally abused for having a black father, and had people yelling in my face so hard I got their frothy saliva all over my glasses. I've been threatened with rape, beatings, and death by people standing in front of me. Somehow, I've managed not to preemptively assault any of them.

Hey, good for you! Here's a banana jumping rope.

 

[Emily's Cat]

You realize you're going to get nowhere with this, right?

I don't think anyone really needs to defend Pujol's in this case as I think anyone looking at it realizes the truth about what happened. The two people so interested in this topic are the same people that repeatedly and steadfastly argue against literally every single "while black" thread. Not for any racial reasons, of course, just to make sure people don't blame actions on racism undeservedly. That's a real problem, ya know.

It's not at all surprising in the least bit that now we have a situation where racism was a factor but there is still a need to show the black guy is wrong, violent, dangerous, etc. For some reason that's vital! I'm sure there are several reasons why that is, and again, nothing to do with race. At all. Ever. In any situation. Ever. EVER.

Just for consideration, plague, I note the racism, I decry the racism... but I *still* think that a person being subjected to solely *verbal* abuse should not respond with *physical* aggression. I hold that as a principle that supersedes race, ethnicity, sex, etc.

In my view, the employee was wrong to physically assault a verbally abusive patron... and that is regardless of the race or age of either of them.

 

[Warp12]

Now do the same for your claim claim that Pujols is "more prone to violence than average".

No point. In your world, apparently the average person assaults people 50 years their senior, when called a name. I guess that means that whenever someone is called a name in your reality, the average expected response is to resort to physical violence.

I don't think most of us live in that world.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Hey, good for you! Here's a banana jumping rope.

I notice that you are still tap-dancing around the very direct question you were asked.

 

[johnny karate]

No point. In your world, apparently the average person assaults people 50 years their senior, when called a name. I guess that means that whenever someone is called a name in your reality, the average expected response is to resort to physical violence.

I don't think most of us live in that world.

Moral posturing from a convicted criminal doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

 

[johnny karate]

I notice that you are still tap-dancing around the very direct question you were asked.

What relevant question am I tap-dancing around?