Being a racist while having a soft skull

[Warp12]

"I'm not racist, the black guy is always at fault or needs extra scrutiny in literally every single scenario" really is a headspace for some people.

Sorry, Joe. I can't magically make Pujols turn into a white guy. And he is the killer, you know. I don't see where race is being made into an issue, here. At least, not by me.

 

[johnny karate]

Sorry, Joe. I can't magically make Pujols turn into a white guy. And he is the killer, you know.

So was the white cop you didn't hold responsible for the death of Daunte Wright.

The difference is that Kim Potter was found to be legally responsible for Wright's death. Pujols wasn't held responsible for Cook's death.

And guess how many times you called Potter a killer? Hint: You didn't.

 

[johnny karate]

I don't see where race is being made into an issue, here. At least, not by me.

It's not our fault for noticing that you always vilify the black guy, even when he's the victim.

 

[EaglePuncher]

Personally, I can't imagine having such a short fuse that I would physically attack a man 50 years my senior, just for calling me a name.

There you go. You can't even call a black guy some racist names anymore before he (totally unreasonably) punches you in the face...

 

[Warp12]

There you go. You can't even call a black guy some names anymore before he (totally unreasonably) punches you in the face...

There is no name you might call someone that gives them justification for physical assault, I'm afraid. Much less striking and killing someone 50 years their senior.

Maybe we need a special list of words that justify instant assault. Does every race get one? What if someone says something bad about my mother, can I beat them to death?

Ridiculous.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Supporting escalation can often turn out be a slippery slope. I've seen a lot of outrage around here, selectively, when such things happen. But here we are, with some feeling it is entirely OK, despite the result. How curious.

How would you compare verbal assault to something like selling single cigarettes on the sidewalk?

One seems to be far more violent than the other.

 

[Warp12]

How would you compare verbal assault to something like selling single cigarettes on the sidewalk?

One seems to be far more violent than the other.

How does that relate to this case? I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

 

[mgidm86]

Pujols was management. He might have got fired after the fact because often these stores have policies of refusing to protect the dignity and safety of their workforce from abusive customers, but its hard to argue that he didn't have authority to eject someone screaming racial slurs from the establishment at that moment in time.

People get forcibly bounced from open-to-the-public businesses for far less.

And it is often done illegally. If a manager wants someone removed from the premises you tell them to leave. If they do not, you inform that they are now trespassing and the cops will be called and they will be arrested.

When a bouncer grabs a patron and physically throws them out the door of a bar it is almost always illegal. I know, I was in the business and have even done it myself.

If there was no physical altercation then the bouncer has no right to get physical. Bouncers and security guards, for the most part have no more legal right to restrain someone than any other citizen. Cops just look the other way most of the time.

The worker or his manager probably had no legal right to physically remove or even touch the guy.

 

[Thermal]

There you go. You can't even call a black guy some racist names anymore before he (totally unreasonably) punches you in the face...

Serious question: what names could you be called at work by a customer, on surveillance cameras with witnesses, that you would cold-cock a senior citizen in the head over, killing him? I gotta admit I am struggling to find one.

Becase that's what we are really talking about here. Its not about race or racism or racists. Its about what you think you are entitled to get away with in defending your personal honor.

For me, im not going to be inclined to throw down over words. I like being out of jail and stuff. No one has that kind of power over me with their words, save my wife and kids to some degree. If someone menaced them, certainly I'll have a shorter fuse. But to hit some old man? I'm not sure I could do that. I'd be more inclined to treat the old coot like a slobbering dementia patient before considering giving him what for.

 

[johnny karate]

There is no name you might call someone that gives them justification for physical assault, I'm afraid. Much less striking and killing someone 50 years their senior.

Maybe we need a special list of words that justify instant assault. Does every race get one? What if someone says something bad about my mother, can I beat them to death?

Ridiculous.

Serious question: what names could you be called at work by a customer, on surveillance cameras with witnesses, that you would cold-cock a senior citizen in the head over, killing him? I gotta admit I am struggling to find one.

Becase that's what we are really talking about here. Its not about race or racism or racists. Its about what you think you are entitled to get away with in defending your personal honor.

For me, im not going to be inclined to throw down over words. I like being out of jail and stuff. No one has that kind of power over me with their words, save my wife and kids to some degree. If someone menaced them, certainly I'll have a shorter fuse. But to hit some old man? I'm not sure I could do that. I'd be more inclined to treat the old coot like a slobbering dementia patient before considering giving him what for.

I have good news for both of you: Pujols was charged and convicted of a crime for his actions. Not sure what else there is to discuss on that front.

The only question remaining is how bad we’re supposed to feel that a racist pedophile died.

The answer seems to be: Quite a bit more than when a black guy is extrajudicially killed by a white cop.

 

[Dr. Keith]

How does that relate to this case? I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

I would say this is verbal assault.

 

[shemp]

Introspection that you had no interest exploring when it was a white kid who killed a pedo. You couldn't dance on that guy's grave hard enough. Now suddenly you're asking for some kind moral examination from which you conveniently exempt yourself.

And it's very telling that you keep sanitizing what this guy did by referring to it as his "criminal history". Pretty much every time you posted about Rosenbaum you made some kind of graphic reference to his pedophilia. You relished it and did it at every opportunity.

But in the case of this pedo, no graphic references to his pedophilia, let alone repeatedly. Just his "criminal history".

Why is it that you pull your punches for a pedo killed by a black kid?

Why does this pedo merit that respect from you?

He couldn't be a pedo, Elon Musk never accused him!

 

[Thermal]

I have good news for both of you: Pujols was charged and convicted of a crime for his actions. Not sure what else there is to discuss on that front.

And I have bad news for you: you are restating the obvious that is one of the few points the thread is in agreement on.

The only question remaining is...

More bad news for you. Many, many, many questions and side discussions about the ideas brought up by the story are still on the table....

how bad we’re supposed to feel that a racist pedophile died.

...and yet that's not one of them. That he was a pedophile is utterly irrelevant to the story. How we feel about the death of a complete stranger that we did not even attend services for or anything is not particularly interesting either. We obviously are not really emotionally invested.

The answer seems to be: Quite a bit more than when a black guy is extrajudicially killed by a white cop.

Ending with a non sequitur, about who the hell knows what? Ok.

 

[EaglePuncher]

There is no name you might call someone that gives them justification for physical assault, I'm afraid. Much less striking and killing someone 50 years their senior.

Maybe we need a special list of words that justify instant assault. Does every race get one? What if someone says something bad about my mother, can I beat them to death?

Ridiculous.

What are you even talking about?

 

[EaglePuncher]

Serious question: what names could you be called at work by a customer, on surveillance cameras with witnesses, that you would cold-cock a senior citizen in the head over, killing him? I gotta admit I am struggling to find one.

Are you obtuse on purpose? What I or you would do is irrelevant. Old Guy obviously found a name to get his face punched.

Becuase that's what we are really talking about here. Its not about race or racism or racists. Its about what you think you are entitled to get away with in defending your personal honor.

Guy thought punching the guy was a good way to defend his personal honour. Now he will probably do time for it. What was your point again?

For me, im not going to be inclined to throw down over words. I like being out of jail and stuff. No one has that kind of power over me with their words, save my wife and kids to some degree. If someone menaced them, certainly I'll have a shorter fuse. But to hit some old man? I'm not sure I could do that. I'd be more inclined to treat the old coot like a slobbering dementia patient before considering giving him what for.

Nice essay but what you would do is completely irrelevant.

 

[johnny karate]

And I have bad news for you: you are restating the obvious that is one of the few points the thread is in agreement on.

Okay cool, I thought we’d have to suffer through more of your moral posturing about how terrible it is to punch people before we all realized that that issue was already successfully adjudicated.

More bad news for you. Many, many, many questions and side discussions about the ideas brought up by the story are still on the table....

...and yet that's not one of them. That he was a pedophile is utterly irrelevant to the story. How we feel about the death of a complete stranger that we did not even attend services for or anything is not particularly interesting either. We obviously are not really emotionally invested.

Oh no, Thermal has decided that the racist pedophile’s status as a pedophile isn’t relevant. I guess that means we’re not allowed to talk about it anymore.

Hopefully we can stay focused on more important facets of the discussion like Thermal’s fascinating dissertation on why he would never, ever punch anyone ever at all, because that’s totally relevant.

 

[Warp12]

Guy thought punching the guy was a good way to defend his personal honour. Now he will probably do time for it. What was your point again?

You might want to do a little more reading. It has already went to trial. All of this has been covered here. And recently.

 

[Thermal]

You might want to do a little more reading. It has already went to trial. All of this has been covered here. And recently.

I am reminded that a pair of bookends are quite useful: dead weight on the side that is oblivious to the information they are adjacent to.

 

[EaglePuncher]

You might want to do a little more reading. It has already went to trial. All of this has been covered here. And recently.

And?

 

[EaglePuncher]

nvw, reacted to worthless flamebait