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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

Progressive need to get at thicker skin like conservatives because the conservatives can't take it if they don't certainly is...well it's a take.
 
no Tchaikovsky in Wales

The Cardiff Philharmonic cancelled an all-Tchaikovsky program. "The full original programme would have opened with Marche Slave, followed by Symphony No. 2 (nicknamed the ‘Little Russian’ – which is considered offensive to Ukrainians), The Sleeping Beauty Suite, and ending with the 1812 Overture, a work which, in the original score, features canon fire....Matt Duss, foreign policy adviser to former US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, called the move “doubly absurd” noting Tchaikovsky “spent a lot of time in Ukraine, and incorporated a lot of Ukrainian folk music and stories into his work”."

This cultural contretemps calls to mind a controversy encircling Hungarian composer Ernst von Dohnanyi for being a WWII war criminal or a Nazi sympathizer. The only problem was that he wasn't one, having resisted the Nazis.
 
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"Never hold anyone to any standards ever because I can provide an example of one time that someone was mistakenly held to a standard in a way that didn't apply" isn't a valid argument.

Again it's beyond the pale hilarious watching people pretend (yes pretend) to handwring about babies being thrown out with the bathwater in such a convenient and pick and choose fashion.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The Cardiff Philharmonic cancelled an all-Tchaikovsky program. "The full original programme would have opened with Marche Slave, followed by Symphony No. 2 (nicknamed the ‘Little Russian’ – which is considered offensive to Ukrainians), The Sleeping Beauty Suite, and ending with the 1812 Overture, a work which, in the original score, features canon fire....Matt Duss, foreign policy adviser to former US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, called the move “doubly absurd” noting Tchaikovsky “spent a lot of time in Ukraine, and incorporated a lot of Ukrainian folk music and stories into his work”."

This cultural contretemps calls to mind a controversy encircling Hungarian composer Ernst von Dohnanyi for being a WWII war criminal or a Nazi sympathizer. The only problem was that he wasn't one, having resisted the Nazis.
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Wow - how terrible they decided to be sensitive about a current war in which people are being killed. You seem to have missed the following (highlight and bold by me):

.... “In light of the recent Russian invasion of Ukraine, Cardiff Philharmonic Orchestra, with the agreement of St David’s Hall, feel the previously advertised programme including the 1812 Overture to be inappropriate at this time.....


.....“member of the orchestra has family directly involved in the Ukraine situation and we are trying to respect that situation during the immediate term”.

“There were also two military-themed pieces as part of the programme – Marche Salve and 1812 Overture – that we felt were particularly inappropriate at this time.”​

How dare an orchestra decide for itself that a current war in which a member's family is involved is a reason to change some of their programme at this time!

Could you help with the following and fill in the blanks:

They should not have changed their programme because ....... ?

This is "cancel culture" because...... ?
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The Cardiff Philharmonic cancelled an all-Tchaikovsky program.
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A spokesperson for the Cardiff ensemble, which describes itself as “one of Wales's foremost non-professional orchestras”, told The National its decision had been made in light of particular circumstances.

(…snip repeats of what Darat quoted…)

“Whilst there are no plans to repeat the Tchaikovsky concert at the moment, we have no plans to change our summer and autumn programmes which contain pieces by Rachmaninoff, Prokofiev and Rimsky-Korsakof. So, in summary, this is a one off decision made with the best of intentions.”

The new programme for the March 18 performance will include John Williams’ The Cowboys Overture, Dvorak’s Symphony No.8 and a performance of Elgar’s Variations On An Original Theme.

The orchestra will also perform the Ukrainian anthem and a "very suitable homage as an encore".
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From https://www.thenational.wales/news/...onic-orchestra-explains-tchaikovsky-decision/
 
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Darat said:
Wow - how terrible they decided to be sensitive about a current war in which people are being killed. You seem to have missed the following (highlight and bold by me):

.... “In light of the recent Russian invasion of Ukraine, Cardiff Philharmonic Orchestra, with the agreement of St David’s Hall, feel the previously advertised programme including the 1812 Overture to be inappropriate at this time.....


.....“member of the orchestra has family directly involved in the Ukraine situation and we are trying to respect that situation during the immediate term”.

“There were also two military-themed pieces as part of the programme – Marche Salve and 1812 Overture – that we felt were particularly inappropriate at this time.”​

How dare an orchestra decide for itself that a current war in which a member's family is involved is a reason to change some of their programme at this time!

Could you help with the following and fill in the blanks:

They should not have changed their programme because ....... ?

This is "cancel culture" because...... ?
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They cancelled Tchaikovsky?! How will he earn a living, now?!
 
Darat said:
This is "cancel culture" because...... ?
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Because in the last few years "bad" people have decided that being good is:

A) impossible because the standards are too high.
B) Morally impossible because the people who tell you to do good aren't perfect, so that makes them hypocrites (even though it doesn't), so therefore you don't have to do anything good.
C) That every one who claims to be good is really just faking it and deep down inside are just as bad as everyone else and the goal should be to expose them.
 
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If we're widening the definition of "cancel culture" to include orchestras choosing not to play certain music, then I'm pretty sure we can also include the recent wave of right wing book bannings.

Which once again puts the spotlight on how little "cancel culture" hand-wringers care about the recent wave of right wing book bannings.
 
Because again it's nothing but, never was anything but, and never will be anything but "I'm mad that the wrong people are now using societal pressure instead of having it used against them."

Like you I want to know where all the "OMG Cancel Culture!" people are about the book bannings or where they were when ever minorities and people not already in power get silence, but I know I'll just get a glib "Don't you tell me what to talk about I can talk about whatever I want" excuse.
 
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Pathetique

Darat said:
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Could you help with the following and fill in the blanks:

They should not have changed their programme because ....... ?

This is "cancel culture" because...... ?
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The music was written before the invasion.*

A cultural event was cancelled.

*They could have at least scheduled Francesca da Rimini, which is arguably better piece than either Marche Slav or the 1812 Overture, along with his Sixth Symphony, his finest work. Or they could have hired Anna Netrebko, who I think is free right now.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The music was written before the invasion.*

A cultural event was cancelled.

*They could have at least scheduled Francesca da Rimini, which is arguably better piece than either Marche Slav or the 1812 Overture, along with his Sixth Symphony, his finest work. Or they could have hired Anna Netrebko, who I think is free right now.
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Okay and?

Seriously THIS is the best you can come up with?
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The music was written before the invasion.*

A cultural event was cancelled.

*They could have at least scheduled Francesca da Rimini, which is arguably better piece than either Marche Slav or the 1812 Overture, along with his Sixth Symphony, his finest work. Or they could have hired Anna Netrebko, who I think is free right now.
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The subtext here seems to be "People should be forced to do the things I want them to do".

Was that your intent?
 
Chris_Halkides said:
The music was written before the invasion.*

A cultural event was cancelled.

*They could have at least scheduled Francesca da Rimini, which is arguably better piece than either Marche Slav or the 1812 Overture, along with his Sixth Symphony, his finest work. Or they could have hired Anna Netrebko, who I think is free right now.
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They could have done a lot of things, why should they be forced to do what you want them too do? Russian anything has bad optics right now. Are we going to start complaining about russian sanctions now because they target the whole russian ecconomy not just those behind this attack, so they are clearly cancel culture.

Is making up lies to justify an attack on a neighbor cancel culture too or not?
 
johnny karate said:
The subtext here seems to be "People should be forced to do the things I want them to do".

Was that your intent?
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No it's sneakier and subtler than that.

It's "Can we agree that it's some form of moral/social/civility/etc failing when people use social pressure against me in a way that gets used against them?"
 
JoeMorgue said:
No it's sneakier and subtler than that.

It's "Can we agree that it's some form of moral/social/civility/etc failing when people use social pressure against me in a way that gets used against them?"
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Or someone changes their behavior because of current events in a way I don't like even without external pressure being exerted.
 
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