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Cont: The Biden Presidency Part II

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TalosMarr said:
I was referring to the rebuttal, the best I could do is generalities without looking up a transcript. If you actually want me to list them I'll dig up the transcript when I get up tomorrow.
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Oh, OK. I didn't listen to that but you don't need sources for that, it's a given the GOP rebuttal would be all lies.
 
TalosMarr said:
I was referring to the rebuttal, the best I could do is generalities without looking up a transcript. If you actually want me to list them I'll dig up the transcript when I get up tomorrow.
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To start off with:

“Even before taking the oath of office, the president told us that he wanted to ‘make America respected around the world again and to unite us here at home’. He’s failed on both fronts,”

Well, dear, when your party's stated purpose is NOT to work with Biden, what can you expect? As for making the US respected again:

Global approval ratings of the U.S. under Joe Biden's leadership have jumped nearly 20 percent from record lows seen at the end of former President Donald Trump's term, according to a new poll.

A new Gallup report published Tuesday found that, as of early August, the median approval rating of U.S. leadership across 46 countries and territories stood at 49 percent. That number is up from just a 30 percent global approval at the end of Trump's presidency.
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Global confidence in the US president jumped 58 points from Trump to Biden in a dozen major countries

America's reputation around the world has sharply rebounded since President Joe Biden took office, according to a Pew Research Center global survey published Thursday.

The new Democratic president is dramatically more popular globally than former President Donald Trump was. In 12 countries Pew surveyed in both 2020 and 2021, a median of 75% expressed confidence in Biden after a median of 17% said they had confidence in Trump last year. And while just a median of 34% had a favorable view of the US in 2020, favorability has surged to 62% this year.
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Stacyhs said:
I agree... it was a great speech. The Biden nay sayers will trot out their idiotic "he's got dementia" crap and point to a few stuttering incidents as 'proof'.

As someone who lost both her parents to cancer and whose husband has terminal cancer, I can say that I don't think Biden is being overly unrealistic. We will conquer cancer eventually, but we have to throw a lot of money into research.
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We have conquered cancer many times, the failure here is to view cancer as a single disease instead of many different ones. There are types of cancer that have 90% cure rates for example.
 
ponderingturtle said:
We have conquered cancer many times, the failure here is to view cancer as a single disease instead of many different ones. There are types of cancer that have 90% cure rates for example.
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Thyroid cancer is one of those more curable types. My husband had stage 3 over 15 years ago. As his oncologist said when he was diagnosed, "If you have to have cancer, this is the one to get."
 
In something that might surprise some people, criticism of Fact Checkers comes from the left at times. For example, AOC has some complaints about an NYT fact check of Biden's statement that "Our economy created 6.5 million new jobs just last year, more jobs created in one year than ever before in the history of America." after the NYT rated that Partially True with the justification - "Biden is correct on the numbers. But the government only started collecting this data in 1939." That justification sure does make it sound like it's quite disingenuous to rate it as only Partially True.
 
Aridas said:
In something that might surprise some people, criticism of Fact Checkers comes from the left at times. For example, AOC has some complaints about an NYT fact check of Biden's statement that "Our economy created 6.5 million new jobs just last year, more jobs created in one year than ever before in the history of America." after the NYT rated that Partially True with the justification - "Biden is correct on the numbers. But the government only started collecting this data in 1939." That justification sure does make it sound like it's quite disingenuous to rate it as only Partially True.
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I agree since the population in the first US census (1790) and the 1940 census was about 3.9 million and 132.2 million respectively. The 2020 census puts the population at 331.5 million. So it's not even partially untrue. Now if you want to talk percentage of new jobs compared to population percentage, that may be another story. But that's not what Biden said
 
ZiprHead said:
According to captured Russian soldiers, they weren't even told they were going to war. They were told it was a war game.
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Well, if they say "I knew we were invading, but I was just following orders" we know that doesn't fly.

"I was entirely mislead about why we were amassed on our western border and then moved west" might work, however.
 
Venom said:
Gasoline is just above $4.00 a gallon near me. Thanks Biden :rolleyes:
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I wonder what will win out in the eyes of the public. High gas prices hurt the wallet, but there does seem to be a lot of moral outrage about the Russian invasions. Will the American public be willing to accept higher gas prices as an acceptable cost?

It's kinda ironic, conservatives were already whining about Biden making gas prices high before this whole Russia crisis. Now that the Biden admin is actually somewhat responsible for a policy leading to higher gas prices, the public might not be mad at him about it.

Time will tell. I'm always dubious that the American public cares about these foreign policy matters as much as the news would lead you to believe, especially in comparison to pocketbook issues like gas prices, but maybe this is actually something that the public is willing to stomach out of moral conviction.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I wonder what will win out in the eyes of the public. High gas prices hurt the wallet, but there does seem to be a lot of moral outrage about the Russian invasions. Will the American public be willing to accept higher gas prices as an acceptable cost?

It's kinda ironic, conservatives were already whining about Biden making gas prices high before this whole Russia crisis. Now that the Biden admin is actually somewhat responsible for a policy leading to higher gas prices, the public might not be mad at him about it.

Time will tell. I'm always dubious that the American public cares about these foreign policy matters as much as the news would lead you to believe, especially in comparison to pocketbook issues like gas prices, but maybe this is actually something that the public is willing to stomach out of moral conviction.
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The local TV (St. Louis) news went to a gas station and asked people at the pump how they felt about the present situation with Ukraine and it's effect on gas prices, and they universally said they'd deal with the price if it helped end the war.
 
Venom said:
Gasoline is just above $4.00 a gallon near me. Thanks Biden :rolleyes:
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Russia energy imports count for about 8% of our total fossil energy source. Eight percent of $4 is 32 cents. That can be offset by releasing fuel from our reserves, increasing production and increasing imports from other countries like Venezuela.

Biden isn't to blame for the increase in gas/oil prices: it's a consequence of the last two years of the pandemic and the Ukraine invasion. Prices jumped dramatically when Putin invaded. Or is Biden to blame for the increase in cost in other countries, too?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I wonder what will win out in the eyes of the public. High gas prices hurt the wallet, but there does seem to be a lot of moral outrage about the Russian invasions. Will the American public be willing to accept higher gas prices as an acceptable cost?

It's kinda ironic, conservatives were already whining about Biden making gas prices high before this whole Russia crisis. Now that the Biden admin is actually somewhat responsible for a policy leading to higher gas prices, the public might not be mad at him about it.

Time will tell. I'm always dubious that the American public cares about these foreign policy matters as much as the news would lead you to believe, especially in comparison to pocketbook issues like gas prices, but maybe this is actually something that the public is willing to stomach out of moral conviction.
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Is that a way to win back high gas prices so it’s not a negative?
 
I have to use premium in my BMW so I'm paying a good bit more but I don't mind it if I can spit in Putin's eye a little.
 
Venom said:
Gasoline is just above $4.00 a gallon near me. Thanks Biden :rolleyes:
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And how exactly is Biden the reason for those prices?

If you want those prices to fall, drive only for essential reasons. There's a reason fuel prices fell during the pandemic and that is because people cut down on driving. We need to do that again.
 
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While at the gas station yesterday, I had a MAGA hat wearing man holler at me from his truck, "How you likin' that Green New Deal now!" I simply mentioned to him that I think it has more to do with imports and exports. And maybe price gouging by oil companies. Then I paid for my gas, got back in my car and left. No need to have a battle of the wits with the witless.

Why did he single me out? I have long hair and carry a bag, so of course I'm a communist loving, AOC backing, librul. Or something. Even if he is right, what a maroon. What are you going to do, though? I leave. No point engaging with someone who hasn't arrived at an opinion reasonably. Hell, we don't even have a Green New Deal, unless you listen to rightwing media.
 
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That sounds more like a Tesla music video than an actual interaction. Are you sure you "simply told him", and didn't deliver an educational harangue about the nature of signs?
 
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