The supernatural
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abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
How odd, because you claimed that...
So which is it? You can prove it, or you cannot? You seem unable to make up your mind.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello
A photon is the smallest structure in the universe. By what mechanism did Photon overcome time in Professor Suarez's experiment ?! And both photons reached the target at different speeds at the same time? !! Isn't that really amazing ?! By what mechanism was the photon able to stop time from reaching the end point at the same time with another photon at the same speed and starting point? What is the consciousness of a photon? Please read Suarez's test thoroughly. It is incredibly amazing.
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I have no idea what you are referring to, heydarian.
If you want to discuss a specific experiment, please provide a link.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
I recommend you visit the Suarez Academy website. There are several articles that I have mentioned in this section. Among other things, Suarez stated:
"There is a strong invisible consciousness behind quantum telepathy."
Also tested of The limits of quantum superposition: Should "Schrödinger's cat" and "Wigner's friend" be considered "miracle" narratives? Suarez says: This experiment explains that this is beyond the realm of science.
The following site contains some of Suarez's scientific articles. The content of this message and the previous message are also on the same site :
Experiments from Pm Magazin and from the WWW site. Pm magazine de has been selected.
I have chosen the topic of "How the Cosmic Force Affects Our Lives" from the perspective of Josef Scheppach, a reporter for PM Scientific Journal.
https://independent.academia.edu/AntoineSuarez1
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Sherman Bay
Master Poster
Regardless of our philosophical differences, on this I'm sure we can all agree. Amen, Brother.
Sherman Bay
Master Poster
Bold assertion without proof. Until you can prove this to everyone's satisfaction, there is no point in going further.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Lots of religious apologists have tried to use quantum theory to justify their religious beliefs; their arguments are, to put it mildly, less than compelling. A quick google of this physicist suggests that he has nothing original, or of particular interest, to add to this discussion.
None of the mainstream interpretations of quantum theory require or support theism at all, let alone the kind of personal/interventionist God you believe in.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Dear Pixel
- We who believe in God do not attribute any cause to God in the line of material causes. God is the ultimate cause. All causes and events return to him. God's relationship is the same for all reasons. It is not the case that we relate some causes to matter. And some to God. No. All causes are related to God. We do not make an exception. Of course, as we have said, God is the supreme cause. Not parallel to material causes.
- God is not of the material world to place him in the order of matter and the hierarchy of material cause. This is the main mistake of you disbelievers and skeptics. Please think about this important issue
- We do not exclude God. God is not of the material world. And it is not in the hierarchy of material causes. These are two separate categories. But the material world is material, so it must have a cause. This hierarchy of cause extends to the material world to "single." Our final question is, what is "single cause"? Hawking said: he created himself !! What is its mechanism? Could not answer. Science has not yet been able to answer this question.
And there is no answer. Can you answer? say. If you think vacuum has the ability to create a single, you are completely wrong. What is a vacuum? How can he create a single out of nothing? If we assume and science has proven. The causal hierarchy is repeated again. And again, these would mean that you have to spend for these processes. You know why this hierarchy has no end in material cause?
Because matter cannot create itself. Think of Hawking's answer to the single. Could he answer? No. Science can not answer.
- We fully accept the evolutionary chain. And it's completely scientific. And we have no doubt about that. Our question is, "By what mechanism did inanimate matter come to life?" Science has not yet given an answer. We are waiting for science to answer. Can you answer? say.
God Almighty has answered these two questions. And he said: I created the single out of nothing. I revived inanimate matter. These two words of God are not claims. Absolutely true. And it is like a bright day. No one but God can answer these two questions. Please explore scientific unknowns and unknowns. As modern science flies. And progresses.
And it makes all of us human beings proud. We have as many unknowns and unknowns that science has not yet been able to answer. As an example, I say the following. Although I have already told you in this group:
-What is dark matter? What is dark energy? What is a black hole? What happens in the black hole? What is a wormhole? What are its rules? What happens in the wormhole? How did the single come about? How did inanimate matter come to life? Where does the information recorded in DNA go? Do we have a transcendental material world? What is a parallel world? What is the secret of quantum? And infinitely more unanswered questions. Please seek answers to these questions.
Thanks
- We who believe in God do not attribute any cause to God in the line of material causes. God is the ultimate cause. All causes and events return to him. God's relationship is the same for all reasons. It is not the case that we relate some causes to matter. And some to God. No. All causes are related to God. We do not make an exception. Of course, as we have said, God is the supreme cause. Not parallel to material causes.
- God is not of the material world to place him in the order of matter and the hierarchy of material cause. This is the main mistake of you disbelievers and skeptics. Please think about this important issue
- We do not exclude God. God is not of the material world. And it is not in the hierarchy of material causes. These are two separate categories. But the material world is material, so it must have a cause. This hierarchy of cause extends to the material world to "single." Our final question is, what is "single cause"? Hawking said: he created himself !! What is its mechanism? Could not answer. Science has not yet been able to answer this question.
And there is no answer. Can you answer? say. If you think vacuum has the ability to create a single, you are completely wrong. What is a vacuum? How can he create a single out of nothing? If we assume and science has proven. The causal hierarchy is repeated again. And again, these would mean that you have to spend for these processes. You know why this hierarchy has no end in material cause?
Because matter cannot create itself. Think of Hawking's answer to the single. Could he answer? No. Science can not answer.
- We fully accept the evolutionary chain. And it's completely scientific. And we have no doubt about that. Our question is, "By what mechanism did inanimate matter come to life?" Science has not yet given an answer. We are waiting for science to answer. Can you answer? say.
God Almighty has answered these two questions. And he said: I created the single out of nothing. I revived inanimate matter. These two words of God are not claims. Absolutely true. And it is like a bright day. No one but God can answer these two questions. Please explore scientific unknowns and unknowns. As modern science flies. And progresses.
And it makes all of us human beings proud. We have as many unknowns and unknowns that science has not yet been able to answer. As an example, I say the following. Although I have already told you in this group:
-What is dark matter? What is dark energy? What is a black hole? What happens in the black hole? What is a wormhole? What are its rules? What happens in the wormhole? How did the single come about? How did inanimate matter come to life? Where does the information recorded in DNA go? Do we have a transcendental material world? What is a parallel world? What is the secret of quantum? And infinitely more unanswered questions. Please seek answers to these questions.
Thanks
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
I'm glad to see you in the group. And I'm talking to you. God. He is not my personal god. He is the God of the universe and everything in it. There is no more than one god. One God. God is for everyone. As soon as you talk about God. And your mind is open. And you speak with knowledge. All this is a sign that you speak with tact and thought. And you are logical. Of course, our logic is a little different from yours. no problem. The important thing is that we both sit around a table in a coffee shop. And we speak for God. And I'm really happy.
My coffee and yours will never be bitter. Be sure.
Thank you very much
MarkCorrigan
Героям слава!
God isn't real. He just isn't.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Dear teammates:
- Basically, every significant method and ideal should be found among human beings that will attract people's attention. Bandits and swindlers are coming. And they get in the way and divert people from the main and great goal of that great method and ideal. The same thing has happened in religions. This is why the religion of Islam and the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an have been Deviation . And superstitions are caused by ignorance and ignorance. Which has occurred in religion and religious teachings. Superstitions must be consciously removed from religion.
Your judgment of God - Islam and the Qur'an is 100% wrong. The reality of these three sacred ideals is completely different from what is practiced in Islamic countries. And is different. Your judgment is about Islamic countries. It's about how religion is practiced. And you see the deviations and superstitions of religion. You are right. Religion and the Qur'an are practiced as you can see. But the principle of the reality of religion and the Qur'an is 180 degrees different from its erroneous execution. They are two separate categories. They are not one.
Not their real reality .One who wants to understand the truth of God and the religion and the Bible must have many studies without any prejudice. And study all these dimensions.I have no interest in the politics of Islamic countries. And I do not accept the implementation of the religion and the interpretation of the Qur'an by them to the maximum. And they may just be right. Which, of course, they do not do in practice. I do not accept these. I also ask you not to know Islam, the Qur'an and God through Islamic countries and Muslims. And do not suffer from the superstitions and deviations of these.
I advise you not to be deceived by those who speak with political motives and enmity towards God, religion and the Qur'an. The market for deception and lies in the world is very prosperous. Do not be deceived. And do not judge God, Islam and the Qur'an by looking at these. If I had known God, Islam and the Qur'an by doing these things, I would have become an infidel much earlier. And I had run away from a Muslim. Because they are fleeing from Islam. They run away from the Quran. God forbid. True God is not like that. This is not the case with true Islam and the Qur'an.
- One of the ways to prove the creation of the universe by chance and the denial of God by infidels and skeptics is that "choice is not impossible without a reason For example, it is said that if a person walks from a road and reaches a crossroads. Both roads lead him to his destination in exactly the same way, so if he walks through either road, he will reach his goal. Therefore, the cause does not want! Or if we put two identical bowls of water in front of a thirsty person, he takes one of them and drinks it.
And choice does not interfere in this mechanism. And there is no reason! Our answer to these problems is: In these similar examples and arguments, we do not fully understand why we prefer the way and mechanism of choice. There is one or more reasons for us to follow the same path to reach our goal. But we do not recognize these causes. My scientific reason is this: It has been proven in psychology that there are thousands of psychological factors in the realm of human secret. Which interferes with our will to choose. And it is the reason for our choice. And our apparent consciousness is unaware of it.
- Schrödinger's cat says the same thing. The cat is in a "hidden box". Therefore, its existence and non-existence are the same. In other words, whether he is alive or dead is the same. Our gaze does not tell if the cat in the box is alive or dead. This is a good example. Although no one has chosen for this purpose. In fact, Schrödinger's cat denies the impossibility of choosing without a cause. And rejects the accidentally of the existence and creation of the universe. Many people may not be aware of this subtle point in Schrödinger's cat. But it certainly conveys the same message.
Apart from its use in quantum, Schrödinger's cat also has an important philosophical message. Which I told you here.
- God is not of matter. Therefore, your position before God cannot be denied. And by no means can you say that there is no God. Because it is completely irrational. You are deceiving yourself. You can only say, "We know nothing about God." Stop being arrogant. No one knows about God. And does not know what he is? In Islam and the Qur'an, it only says, "There is a God. There is a God. We know nothing about the sex of God and the position of God. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar."
There is no word on the sex of God and how God is. The material world and man, which is made of matter, have no understanding of the supernatural. That is why there is nothing supernatural in the Qur'an. The Qur'an speaks only of the material world. And it just says there is a God. God is the Creator. God is the cause of the material world. But he does not say anything about God. It says nothing about the supernatural. He says that everything in this world is material.
And God created it. "It is very easy and simple to understand. How complicated do you make it? Why do you always marginalize? Your blasphemy is due to pride. While you have knowledge. And you understand it very well. But your pride is this. He denies the contents, of the opportunity that has been created for you, and in this group you were told logical words about God and the Qur'an, think without prejudice, your deadline is not long.
I am not thirsty for power and politics. I am thirsty for knowledge - love - kindness and humanity. I love all human beings. I am Saeed Heydarian, a Muslim. I love all human beings. I see God as one.And I see all human beings as servants of God. I love you all
- Basically, every significant method and ideal should be found among human beings that will attract people's attention. Bandits and swindlers are coming. And they get in the way and divert people from the main and great goal of that great method and ideal. The same thing has happened in religions. This is why the religion of Islam and the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an have been Deviation . And superstitions are caused by ignorance and ignorance. Which has occurred in religion and religious teachings. Superstitions must be consciously removed from religion.
Your judgment of God - Islam and the Qur'an is 100% wrong. The reality of these three sacred ideals is completely different from what is practiced in Islamic countries. And is different. Your judgment is about Islamic countries. It's about how religion is practiced. And you see the deviations and superstitions of religion. You are right. Religion and the Qur'an are practiced as you can see. But the principle of the reality of religion and the Qur'an is 180 degrees different from its erroneous execution. They are two separate categories. They are not one.
Not their real reality .One who wants to understand the truth of God and the religion and the Bible must have many studies without any prejudice. And study all these dimensions.I have no interest in the politics of Islamic countries. And I do not accept the implementation of the religion and the interpretation of the Qur'an by them to the maximum. And they may just be right. Which, of course, they do not do in practice. I do not accept these. I also ask you not to know Islam, the Qur'an and God through Islamic countries and Muslims. And do not suffer from the superstitions and deviations of these.
I advise you not to be deceived by those who speak with political motives and enmity towards God, religion and the Qur'an. The market for deception and lies in the world is very prosperous. Do not be deceived. And do not judge God, Islam and the Qur'an by looking at these. If I had known God, Islam and the Qur'an by doing these things, I would have become an infidel much earlier. And I had run away from a Muslim. Because they are fleeing from Islam. They run away from the Quran. God forbid. True God is not like that. This is not the case with true Islam and the Qur'an.
- One of the ways to prove the creation of the universe by chance and the denial of God by infidels and skeptics is that "choice is not impossible without a reason For example, it is said that if a person walks from a road and reaches a crossroads. Both roads lead him to his destination in exactly the same way, so if he walks through either road, he will reach his goal. Therefore, the cause does not want! Or if we put two identical bowls of water in front of a thirsty person, he takes one of them and drinks it.
And choice does not interfere in this mechanism. And there is no reason! Our answer to these problems is: In these similar examples and arguments, we do not fully understand why we prefer the way and mechanism of choice. There is one or more reasons for us to follow the same path to reach our goal. But we do not recognize these causes. My scientific reason is this: It has been proven in psychology that there are thousands of psychological factors in the realm of human secret. Which interferes with our will to choose. And it is the reason for our choice. And our apparent consciousness is unaware of it.
- Schrödinger's cat says the same thing. The cat is in a "hidden box". Therefore, its existence and non-existence are the same. In other words, whether he is alive or dead is the same. Our gaze does not tell if the cat in the box is alive or dead. This is a good example. Although no one has chosen for this purpose. In fact, Schrödinger's cat denies the impossibility of choosing without a cause. And rejects the accidentally of the existence and creation of the universe. Many people may not be aware of this subtle point in Schrödinger's cat. But it certainly conveys the same message.
Apart from its use in quantum, Schrödinger's cat also has an important philosophical message. Which I told you here.
- God is not of matter. Therefore, your position before God cannot be denied. And by no means can you say that there is no God. Because it is completely irrational. You are deceiving yourself. You can only say, "We know nothing about God." Stop being arrogant. No one knows about God. And does not know what he is? In Islam and the Qur'an, it only says, "There is a God. There is a God. We know nothing about the sex of God and the position of God. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar."
There is no word on the sex of God and how God is. The material world and man, which is made of matter, have no understanding of the supernatural. That is why there is nothing supernatural in the Qur'an. The Qur'an speaks only of the material world. And it just says there is a God. God is the Creator. God is the cause of the material world. But he does not say anything about God. It says nothing about the supernatural. He says that everything in this world is material.
And God created it. "It is very easy and simple to understand. How complicated do you make it? Why do you always marginalize? Your blasphemy is due to pride. While you have knowledge. And you understand it very well. But your pride is this. He denies the contents, of the opportunity that has been created for you, and in this group you were told logical words about God and the Qur'an, think without prejudice, your deadline is not long.
I am not thirsty for power and politics. I am thirsty for knowledge - love - kindness and humanity. I love all human beings. I am Saeed Heydarian, a Muslim. I love all human beings. I see God as one.And I see all human beings as servants of God. I love you all
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
MarkCorrigan
Героям слава!
We know what you believe Heydarian. We want you to demonstrate it's true with actual evidence not vague handwaving and logical fallacies.
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
Hello
You accept the existence of the Quran? Apart from its content. Do you just historically agree that the Qur'an is a holy book? And it was in the seventh century?
Of course, I mean the Bible for Muslims. I do not mean the Bible for you. If you are not a Muslim. Now I just want to prove the historical identity of the Qur'an. If you do not agree. You can refer to all the authoritative historical books about Islam. Even the Bible of other religions. In all these books, the Qur'an is introduced as a holy book of Muslims. Therefore, the historical validity of the Qur'an is clear. And has been proven. The content of the Qur'an, which we Muslims say is God, needs further study. We believe in this. But you have no obligation to accept the content of the Qur'an. As a Muslim, I have a duty to prove it to you and to anyone who does not know the content of the Qur'an from God. This issue has a lot of discussion. Let me continue this discussion over time. And I will say the necessary things.
thank you
heydarian saeed
Graduate Poster
God is not of matter. Not provable in your lab. His objective evidence is his creations. The whole universe and everything in it is the creation of God. Read the example of writing - pen - hand and thinking of the author once again.
Take care of your own health. I really want to see you. Thank you. Bye
MarkCorrigan
Героям слава!
That's not evidence of god, that's just evidence that the universe exists. Try harder.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
You are still not understanding my argument, heydarian. The exception you make is to the statement "Everything has a cause". You make a single exception for God. I'm saying it's more parsimonious to make an exception for the universe.
There is no good reason to assume the existence of a God. None. Nothing is explained that cannot be explained without that assumption. Statements like "God is not of the material world" are irrelevant. It makes no difference what form you imagine your God to take. It is simply unnecessary.
Science actually has several possible answers.
Again, science has several possible answers.
No. Postulating a God does not answer your questions, it simply replaces them with even more difficult questions about the nature and origin of God.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
That is not what is meant by a personal God. A personal God is a God who behaves like a person, i.e. is a conscious entity who makes choices etc. As opposed to the kind of vague, impersonal force that many theists believe in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_god
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