Cont: General UK politics [2]

[Andy_Ross]

It is hard to know how to help with the current situation. I am however boycotting Russian owned corporations
Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft, Sberbank, British Conservative Party, Russian Railways, Rostec.

Chelsea Football Club.

 

[Aber]

The UK, having been lumbered with one of the weakest Prime Ministers in history during a catastrophic and chaotic pandemic is now the UK figurehead against the Russia-Ukraine attack. With Boris Johnson's long history of enabling Russian oligarchs - one is in the House of Lords, thanks to his close friendship with Johnson (Johnson even travelled to Italy to visit him, shaking off his Personal Protection security) - his claims to be taking a really tough stance against Russia sounds hollow and insincere.

Did you miss the shipments of anti-tank weapons and trainers to Ukraine, when other major European powers were talking down the risk of invasion?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Russian TV broadcasts in UK a ‘disinformation campaign’, says Dorries

These would be the same Russian TV broadcasts that the LotO shouldn't ask for a license review because "Freedom of Speech" & asking for a review is 'banning' but that they were simultaneously already reviewing*, right?

*Last weeks PMQs

 

[Andy_Ross]

Did you miss the shipments of anti-tank weapons and trainers to Ukraine, when other major European powers were talking down the risk of invasion?

The spate of ministers saying and tweeting literal, provable and obvious lies about government refugee policies suggests they do know they’re on the wrong side of public opinion on this.


Boris is doing the minimum he can get away with.

he doesn't want to upset his owners and have them turn off the money.

 

[Aber]

Boris is doing the minimum he can get away with.

he doesn't want to upset his owners and have them turn off the money.

Given reports that he was one of the leading advocates for turning off SWIFT, that doesn't look true.

The UK Government has taken a harder line on Russia than most others in Europe (excluding Poland and the Baltics), and backed it up with actions including troop deployments and weapons supply.

 

[Vixen]

Did you miss the shipments of anti-tank weapons and trainers to Ukraine, when other major European powers were talking down the risk of invasion?

By accepting donations from a hostile foreign power and enabling them to infiltrate the British establishment, the British government has emboldened Putin, likewise, the Trump regime.


You recall Profumo having to resign because his mistress, Christine Keeler, was sleeping with KGB agents?


How come it is suddenly acceptable to be seen openly fraternising with a known corrupt regime?


I would not be surprised if one or more of the incumbents was committing treason. Yes, a traitor. Knowingly. Something to hide.

 

[Vixen]

Given reports that he was one of the leading advocates for turning off SWIFT, that doesn't look true.

The UK Government has taken a harder line on Russia than most others in Europe (excluding Poland and the Baltics), and backed it up with actions including troop deployments and weapons supply.

Largely empty rhetoric. SWIFT is just a messaging service between banks. It doesn't freeze their accounts. They are numerous ways of transferring funds without a SWIFT code. (Cheques, Bills of Exchange, Promissory Notes, Letters of Credit, Forward Contracts, etc.) Russia can still pay its bills and receive funds.

Action speaks louder than words. Where are the means for refugees to seek asylum in the UK, as in other countries?


Yes, troops have been sent to Estonia and naval ships to the Black Sea (?) but that is not the same as going in fighting, more to protect the interest of the peripheral states.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Given reports that he was one of the leading advocates for turning off SWIFT, that doesn't look true.

The UK Government has taken a harder line on Russia than most others in Europe (excluding Poland and the Baltics), and backed it up with actions including troop deployments and weapons supply.

And yet he still hasn't turned off the Russian money tap.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

And yet he still hasn't turned off the Russian money tap.

A quick browse through any edition of Private Eye will demonstrate how relaxed Boris & Co. are about laundering Russian money in the UK.

 

[Mojo]

By accepting donations from a hostile foreign power and enabling them to infiltrate the British establishment, the British government has emboldened Putin, likewise, the Trump regime.


You recall Profumo having to resign because his mistress, Christine Keeler, was sleeping with KGB agents?


How come it is suddenly acceptable to be seen openly fraternising with a known corrupt regime?

I don’t think the Russians have ever been particularly concerned about fraternising with corrupt regimes.

 

[dudalb]

Apparently Boris's welcoming attitude toward Russian Oligarchs has become a hot button issue, with even some COnservatives blasting him for it.

 

[Vixen]

According to Twitter, some 25% of Tory MP's have been the recipient of Russian 'donations'. Jacob Rees-Mogg apparently got rid of some assets he had in a Russian bank recently. If he had a hint this was coming (intelligence reports of troops building up) and he shorted on the currency f/x rate, then that would count as insider trading, which is illegal.

 

[Andy_Ross]

According to Twitter, some 25% of Tory MP's have been the recipient of Russian 'donations'. Jacob Rees-Mogg apparently got rid of some assets he had in a Russian bank recently. If he had a hint this was coming (intelligence reports of troops building up) and he shorted on the currency f/x rate, then that would count as insider trading, which is illegal.

He's a crook, they all are.

 

[Vixen]

He's a crook, they all are.

According to this tweet:

Putin ally Gennady Timchenko, boss of Volga group, was one of the oligarchs sanctioned by UK last week. He is also a director of gas firm Novatek which Rees Mogg's investment fund has a stake in and from which Rees Mogg received £600k worth of dividends last year

https://twitter.com/withorpe/status/1497881847627501569?s=20&t=0f_ww628kfyAeqht8JwPhQ

Well, there is nothing illegal in getting a dividend from an investment but it seems to clarify why Boris Johnson and co only wanted to 'sanction' two or three oligarchs at a time, even though a list of 35 of them were read out under the privilege of the House of Commons.

It is also sickening that whilst the EU following the lead of several countries have banned all Russian aircraft from its airspace for three months, the UK are still flying planes to and from Russia (although I think it is planned) and haven't banned private planes, although the EU has.

As for helping the refugees, all Liz Truss can come out with is a pathetic line that they are trying to think of ways to help them, when it seems obvious they have already made a decision not to invite them as asylum seekers. The EU has offered asylum for up to three years, which seems the compassionate thing to do. I guess the Conservative government doesn't want to upset its ERG core.

 

[dudalb]

According to Twitter, some 25% of Tory MP's have been the recipient of Russian 'donations'. Jacob Rees-Mogg apparently got rid of some assets he had in a Russian bank recently. If he had a hint this was coming (intelligence reports of troops building up) and he shorted on the currency f/x rate, then that would count as insider trading, which is illegal.

GOd, Rees Mogg is like the Hollywood stereotype of the Snobbish, Arrogant British Aristocray.

 

[dudalb]

I see that Oligarch owned Soccer team Chelsea lost to Liverpool on penalties,l which means they lost because of breaking the rules and trying to cheat. How appropriate.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I see that Oligarch owned Soccer team Chelsea lost to Liverpool on penalties,l which means they lost because of breaking the rules and trying to cheat. How appropriate.

No, it was a 0 - 0 draw after full time and extra time so there was a penalty 'shoot out'

Final result was 11 to 10 to Liverpool.

 

[Mojo]

According to Twitter, some 25% of Tory MP's have been the recipient of Russian 'donations'. Jacob Rees-Mogg apparently got rid of some assets he had in a Russian bank recently. If he had a hint this was coming (intelligence reports of troops building up) and he shorted on the currency f/x rate, then that would count as insider trading, which is illegal.

I thought ministers were supposed to put their investments in blind trusts to prevent conflicts of interest.

 

[jimbob]

GOd, Rees Mogg is like the Hollywood stereotype of the Snobbish, Arrogant British Aristocray.

And the thing is, that's his CULTIVATED image.

Just as Johnson cultivated "amiable bumbling Boris who'd be a good laugh at a party" and Trump cultivated "successful hardnosed ruthless businessman"

And his constituents fall for it.

 

[Darat]

According to Twitter, some 25% of Tory MP's have been the recipient of Russian 'donations'. Jacob Rees-Mogg apparently got rid of some assets he had in a Russian bank recently. If he had a hint this was coming (intelligence reports of troops building up) and he shorted on the currency f/x rate, then that would count as insider trading, which is illegal.

For other people.