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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Resume said:
I'm still sorry objective reality triggers you, so much so you avoid it like the plague.
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He can't even bring himself to acknowledge that other recent thread that shall not be named. I guess the slam-dunk evidence fell through.
 
smartcooky said:
Good. I hope he succeeds in getting it passed. Any doctor spreading disease misinformation should be stripped of his licence to practice medicine!

Doctors take an oath in which the they swear to do no harm. Disseminating lies about disease causes harm and in the time of this pandemic, has resulted in the needless suffering and deaths of many many thousands of of people.
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Plague rats come in all persuasions, from credulous internet forum posters, to looney-toons physicians. The latter prescribing quack remedies (and dangerous disinformation) to the former need to be sanctioned, no matter how much the credules believe the quackery.
 
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Bubba said:
Some medical professionals are vowing to fight a possible new California law that attempts to threaten their medical licenses for spreading “COVID-19 misinformation”—calling the effort “unconstitutional” and “illegal.”
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So as well as being substandard in their professions, they're ignorant of the American Constitution and the law as well. If they decline to follow professional standards, then they can be decertified. That's what they get for thumbing their noses at the science.
 
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I was, somehow, under the impression that doctors are licensed, as well as taking an oath, and that there are already some laws around that forbid at least some defined quackeries. Somehow the idea of adding another thing to that list does not seem like as much of a drift into the morass of genocidal tyranny that the Bubbas of this world seem to imagine.

I think that would be true even if that specific quackery were later found to be beneficial, though I do not for one moment believe it will.
 
Bubba said:
Thx for reminder....will go get it asap !
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That's no lie. "As soon as possible" being dependent upon something being possible. So as long as it isn't possible, you never have to go, and you can't be accused of lying about when you're going there.
 
Bubba said:
One of the most important realizations emerging from the fake Ottawa "police" (many of whom turned out to be UN troops with no legal authority whatsoever) is that the globalist cabal doesn't have enough people to carry out their tyranny. They have to recruit mercenaries from other regions and pay them to brutalize the local people under tyrannical authoritarianism.

In a way, this is actually good news since it reveals how thin the globalists' ranks are when it comes to finding minions who will carry out their nefarious plans to crush dissent and enslave humanity. It turns out that most people won't go along with pure evil once they finally recognize it.

Once the critical mass of awakening is achieved, the globalist cabal will be outnumbered 1000 to 1 by informed, courageous, pro-liberty citizens of the world who will dismantle the global prison planet grid and remove the tyrants from power.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-02...the-planet-as-globalist-tyrants-revealed.html
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This is sooooooo funny. You've clearly never been around the UN. You so have no clue what you are talking about. The UN will consult their mandate while being taken under fire to figure out how to respond. It is an organization paralyzed by its democracy. The UN pretending to be Canadian cops, Jesus Christ dude, get out more.

The above should not be construed as disrespect for individuals working for the UN. I have been in awe at the bravery of UNICEF and UNHCR workers in the Eastern Congo and South Sudan working to mitigate human suffering in areas with nothing more than a powder blue ball cap to protect them. These were places I only went with a team, all of us carrying tricked out carbines and side arms. Their institutional bureaucracy and agendas of certain member states does a grave disservice to the bravery and compassion of their employees.
 
Bubba said:
Some medical professionals are vowing to fight a possible new California law that attempts to threaten their medical licenses for spreading “COVID-19 misinformation”—calling the effort “unconstitutional” and “illegal.”

California Assemblyman Evan Low (D-Campbell) introduced Assembly Bill (AB) 2098 on Feb. 15, which would prevent licensed physicians and surgeons from spreading COVID-19 misinformation. If passed, the law would inject disciplinary actions by the Medical Board of California or the Osteopathic Medical Board of California to care providers promoting alleged misinformation.

“The idea that they’re going to come after physicians that spread misinformation, without defining what misinformation is, [is] frightening,” Physician Dr. Jeff Barke told The Epoch Times.
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Barke is barking mad. A total nutter.

Here he is explaining his preferred alternative to masks....
 

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Wow, just wow. He fits into the category of people who are "Proof of why abortion should be legal".
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Have a quote from him, why not...

“I live in Orange County, so I carry this wherever I go,” he says, identifying the weapon as a SIG Sauer P365 and touting his training as an Orange County Sheriff’s reserve deputy. “This is what I carry when I’m out in public to protect others and protect the public.

“I’d rather see somebody carrying a concealed [weapon] than masking up,” the physician continues. “I think that’s better for the public than anything.”
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Planigale said:
I can answer this.

The x-ray appearances of the pneumonia associated with the novel corona virus were unusual, the CT scan appearances of the lungs pretty well unique. No other infection causes a similar pattern of changes in the lungs. The marked hypoxaemia without breathlessness is also unusual. The blood tests point towards an atypical pneumonia, probably viral.
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What we're talking about is the suspicion of a new virus.

Where is the data relating to the 44 patients that says:
--- the CT-scan appearances of the pneumonia were unique
--- they suffered marked hypoxaemia without breathlessness

Regardless of tests for virus, the medical doctors looking after these patients would have recognised that these cases were different from other cases of pneumonia, based on the symptoms, blood tests and imaging. Then add on that tests for the usual suspects were negative.
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Speculation. Where's the data?

Then add on the postmortem findings that showed an unusual pattern of damage not typical for other causes of pneumonia, and the finding on electron microscopy of coronaviruses in the lungs.
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Post-mortem? How many of these 44 patients died?

In summary clinically there are enough unique features that one can diagnose covid-19 pneumonia reliably without needing a PCR test. There are enough unique features that the doctors treating the patients would have had a high suspicion they were dealing with a novel infection.
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LOL. But cases are determined purely on the basis of the test not on clinical diagnosis, that's why we have "asymptomatic" cases and, according to the CDC web page of symptoms we do not see a distinctive set of features.

Cluster has a technical meaning, it means a group of cases linked by a common factor. So you might have a cluster of diarrhoea in a school following an outing to a farm. The worry is this might be an E. coli O157 outbreak, but at the beginning it is just a cluster of children with runny tummies after a school outing. If on testing there is no common infection the it remains a cluster. If there is a common cause it becomes an outbreak.
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I know what cluster means but as no distinctive set of symptoms is indicated in the 44 patients - unless you can provide evidence, of course - then the term doesn't apply.

I assure you that I am always open to the evidence and if I'm wrong I will readily admit it. I believe I've simply seen too much evidence for the alleged pandemic not to be a fraud but I'm always open to the evidence.
 
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Blue Mountain said:
Here's a shocker for you: after all this typing, I agree the initial report was not scientific. It was vague; they didn't have a causative agent; it was winter, a time when pneumonia cases are common; and the WHO had no recommendations beyond "be careful out there."

Here's what I disagree with: it appears to be your contention that because that one initial report was vague and unscientific, it brings the entire narrative of the SARS-Cov-2 virus and the COVID-19 pandemic into disrepute. As far as I'm concerned that's an extremely naive conclusion. Within days of that report, the Chinese has isolated the virus, sequenced its genome, and shared it with the world. It was a novel virus, subsequently named SARS-Cov-2, and it has caused a worldwide pandemic of COVID-19 disease that's killed millions over the last couple of years.

Oh, you still haven't given me your comment or opinion on the WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 11 March 2020, when the WHO declared a global pandemic.
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In the first instance, my contention is that the grounds given for suspicion of a new virus are unscientific which I thought would be relatively straightforward to do ... but obviously not.

I will get onto the next steps of isolation, genomic sequencing, etc later if I manage to establish on this thread that the suspicion is unscientific with no further contradiction. One step at a time.

I see no evidence for the existence of the illness designated covid so the words of the Director General are simply nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
 
Petra said:
I see no evidence for the existence of the illness designated covid so the words of the Director General are simply nonsense as far as I'm concerned.
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That's because you've been gulled by the propaganda you consume. SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its genome sequenced and additionally, has been demonstrated to cause COVID-19.

You are silly.
 
Blue Mountain said:
Ditto for me, actually.

I took a look at this, and here's what I discovered:

  1. The video was posted on 16 May 2020. At the time, the UK was seeing somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 new cases a day. Keeping in mind that only a small percentage of cases end up in the hospital, the hospital wasn't really alarmed at the projected caseload. That's reflected in the video's message: "We'll be here for you through this."
  2. Then something happened they didn't expect. Starting in October 2020 and going though to February 2021, there was a huge surge in the number of cases. At the height of it in January 2021 the UK was seeing 62,000 new cases a day—18 times the number it had seen back when the video was produced a few months earlier.
  3. Remember, that surge started in October 2020 and carried on through November and December, peaked in January 2021, and didn't break until February. Of course Chelsea and Westminster didn't care for every single COVID patient in the UK, but the hospital is in the heart of London, and London was very badly hit.
  4. The ABC article was posted at the end of July 2021. Obviously the time frame it's referring to is the five month surge when resources were stretched to their limits and beyond.

Petra:They tell us the photo of two masked-up nurses shows Anne with a colleague (but don’t indicate which one’s Anne) but I wonder if Anne exists at all and might be just a made-up person named after the protagonist of Jane Austen’s Persuasion.

BM:That I can't say. I'm inclined to take the ABC's story at face value,. If you have questions or concerns about it, you can contact the ABC. Unfortunately they don't publish contact information for Catherine Taylor, the article's author.

Petra:In the article we’re told, “Nine months later Elliott had zipped more than 50 patients into body bags.” AFAIK, it is not the job of nurses to put bodies into body bags.

BM:Sorry, I can't address this one. I don't know if nurses in the UK are expected to assist with putting the deceased into body bags, or if it's a bit of literary license on the part of the writer. There are a couple of (former) UK nurses on this forum; maybe they can give us some insight.
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OK so timewise the article doesn't obviously contradict the video, however, what we do not have is any clear evidence that what the nurse claims is true. We might have expected convincing photographic evidence of her claims in the article if not in the video but we don't and I find the highly generic photos, lack of identification of Anne in the photo she is allegedly in and the scary headlining photo all undermine the authenticity of the article.

I have contacted the media and others a few times to question their stories - no response - or if I do get a response I don't get further responses when I question further. I suppose I should do it every single time, shouldn't I? I don't have that kind of courage I suppose.

The thing is Blue Mountain I have seen quite a lot of hospital footage and I've cited the patient already Tara Jane Langston that is completely unconvincing.

This BBC footage of UCL looks, feels and sounds very much like a drill and I notice a few disbelieving comments on this Mirror article, 'Broken' nurses forced to choose between dying Covid patients in agonising footage about UCL including:

"Puff piece editorial...flimed in the teaching wing of an Imperial College hospital.......With handpicked patients......Ladies and gentlemen I give you the BBC....."

"I thought doctors made the life and death decisions not nurses."

Typical of drills you see a lot of staff with few patients
Note hospital staff's names handwritten on on their shield tops
Note sticky label on face shield with "Face Shield" over which is written what looks like ALT, CONS - not the sort of labelling you expect in a normal hospital stiuation.
Very non-standard ID tag

I'm afraid it's scaremongering propaganda through and through.

I can provide more analysis of other stories about hospitals which are not convincing if you want ... but actually I won't for the moment. I said I'd stick to my goal of proving step by step that the pandemic is a fraud and the reason I responded to your reply was that you had gone to some effort to respond to mine ... and you even made a concession!
 
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