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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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If the forum membership ever gets around to discussing trolls and troll-like behaviour, I'd include a criterium that posting content from and links to known pseudo-science, quackery, and conspiracy theory sites in support of one's position—after being given a warning by a mod—be an actionable offense. In my opinion, such posters aren't here to learn; they're here to clutter up the discussion and spam their misguided foolishness.
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To add to that: if that person refuses to even attempt to defend such quackery, or even state if they actually believe it or not, and appears therefore to be posting it with the sole purpose of irritating and winding up the rest of the forum, that should be considered actionable as well.
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Fantastic ! Afterward, it will be just us guys in the circle. When do we start the crackdown ?
 
Petra said:
You're not really sticking to the argument here. I've dropped the association between covid and pneumonia in my argument (although I think that considering the suspicion was based on pneumonia cases the connection is now much looser than we might expect ... but happy to let it drop as it's both not germane to the argument and also not massively compelling either).

All I'm asking is for a refutation of the claim that the grounds given for suspicion of a "novel" virus are unscientific. Millions of subsequent cases has zero to do with the suspicion arrived at initially. Why, initially, before anything else happened would there be a suspicion of a "novel" virus based on 44 cases of pneumonia? Why are these 44 cases being called a "cluster" of "unknown origin" with no further information about those cases when pneumonia is a very common illness in China, especially in a highly-polluted city such as Wuhan.

I'm taking a step-by-step approach as the next thing done I think is also unscientific but I want to get agreement - or at least tacit agreement - that the suspicion of a "novel" virus presented to us is unscientific.

You have not debunked my claim.
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I can answer this.

The x-ray appearances of the pneumonia associated with the novel corona virus were unusual, the CT scan appearances of the lungs pretty well unique. No other infection causes a similar pattern of changes in the lungs. The marked hypoxaemia without breathlessness is also unusual. The blood tests point towards an atypical pneumonia, probably viral.

Regardless of tests for virus, the medical doctors looking after these patients would have recognised that these cases were different from other cases of pneumonia, based on the symptoms, blood tests and imaging. Then add on that tests for the usual suspects were negative.

Then add on the postmortem findings that showed an unusual pattern of damage not typical for other causes of pneumonia, and the finding on electron microscopy of coronaviruses in the lungs.

In summary clinically there are enough unique features that one can diagnose covid-19 pneumonia reliably without needing a PCR test. There are enough unique features that the doctors treating the patients would have had a high suspicion they were dealing with a novel infection.

Cluster has a technical meaning, it means a group of cases linked by a common factor. So you might have a cluster of diarrhoea in a school following an outing to a farm. The worry is this might be an E. coli O157 outbreak, but at the beginning it is just a cluster of children with runny tummies after a school outing. If on testing there is no common infection the it remains a cluster. If there is a common cause it becomes an outbreak.
 
Bubba said:
One of the most important realizations emerging from the fake Ottawa "police" (many of whom turned out to be UN troops with no legal authority whatsoever) is that the globalist cabal doesn't have enough people to carry out their tyranny. They have to recruit mercenaries from other regions and pay them to brutalize the local people under tyrannical authoritarianism.

In a way, this is actually good news since it reveals how thin the globalists' ranks are when it comes to finding minions who will carry out their nefarious plans to crush dissent and enslave humanity. It turns out that most people won't go along with pure evil once they finally recognize it.

Once the critical mass of awakening is achieved, the globalist cabal will be outnumbered 1000 to 1 by informed, courageous, pro-liberty citizens of the world who will dismantle the global prison planet grid and remove the tyrants from power.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-02...the-planet-as-globalist-tyrants-revealed.html
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Wrong again Bubbaaaaaaaaaa.

As you are always wrong, about Trump, about the Kraken, about Q.

When your conspiracy fueled fever dream fails to materialise, you will ignore that fact, and move on to another utterly ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Failing to learn from your mistakes.
Continuing to listen to sources that lie to you.
Unable to see that they are wrong.

Failing over and over and over.
Stuck in a loop of permanent wrongness and failure.

A sheep, forever.

Bubbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
 
Bubba said:
Once the critical mass of awakening is achieved, the globalist cabal will be outnumbered 1000 to 1 by informed, courageous, pro-liberty citizens of the world who will dismantle the global prison planet grid and remove the tyrants from power.
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Any idea when "critical mass" will be achieved? Should I be getting my revolution beret out yet?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Maybe we could start calling you "Russian agent Bubba"? I mean, we have just as much evidence for that as you have for Gates being a eugenisist.

We certainly can't call you "cartographer Bubba".
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“See all those lines on the map? I, Bubba, drew those. But do they call me Bubba the Cartographer?”
 
Petra said:
I cannot see a further response from Blue Mountain or anyone else in response to my response stating that the claim that the "cluster" of 44 patients which led to the suspicion of a "novel" virus were tested for all known causes has no foundation but if it's there please let me know:
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I responded in post #3554:

Blue Mountain said:
Here's a shocker for you: after all this typing, I agree the initial report was not scientific. It was vague; they didn't have a causative agent; it was winter, a time when pneumonia cases are common; and the WHO had no recommendations beyond "be careful out there."

Here's what I disagree with: it appears to be your contention that because that one initial report was vague and unscientific, it brings the entire narrative of the SARS-Cov-2 virus and the COVID-19 pandemic into disrepute. As far as I'm concerned that's an extremely naive conclusion. Within days of that report, the Chinese has isolated the virus, sequenced its genome, and shared it with the world. It was a novel virus, subsequently named SARS-Cov-2, and it has caused a worldwide pandemic of COVID-19 disease that's killed millions over the last couple of years.

Oh, you still haven't given me your comment or opinion on the WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the media briefing on COVID-19 - 11 March 2020, when the WHO declared a global pandemic.
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In addition, I presented my analysis of the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital video in post #3556. To recap:

Blue Mountain said:
I took a look at this, and here's what I discovered:

  1. The video was posted on 16 May 2020. At the time, the UK was seeing somewhere between 3,000 and 4,000 new cases a day. Keeping in mind that only a small percentage of cases end up in the hospital, the hospital wasn't really alarmed at the projected caseload. That's reflected in the video's message: "We'll be here for you through this."
  2. Then something happened they didn't expect. Starting in October 2020 and going though to February 2021, there was a huge surge in the number of cases. At the height of it in January 2021 the UK was seeing 62,000 new cases a day—18 times the number it had seen back when the video was produced a few months earlier.
  3. Remember, that surge started in October 2020 and carried on through November and December, peaked in January 2021, and didn't break until February. Of course Chelsea and Westminster didn't care for every single COVID patient in the UK, but the hospital is in the heart of London, and London was very badly hit.
  4. The ABC article was posted at the end of July 2021. Obviously the time frame it's referring to is the five month surge when resources were stretched to their limits and beyond.
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In my opinion, that puts to rest your questions about the veracity of Australian Broadcasting Corporation's article.


On a separate note, you mentioned "I have no interest in reputation, I'm only interested in content." I found and posted an excellent article on rather different topic (Linux) and invited your comments on whether or not it was a decent introduction to the Linux. You can find that post here: post #3560.
I'm still interested in your appraisal of that article.
 
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Petra said:
Not insisting that no one has responded.
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Petra, everyone can see your lies.

Petra said:
I cannot see a further response from Blue Mountain or anyone else in response to my response stating that the claim that the "cluster" of 44 patients which led to the suspicion of a "novel" virus were tested for all known causes has no foundation but if it's there please let me know:
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Petra said:
You have not debunked my claim.
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Stop lying. It's naughty.
 
Bubba said:
One of the most important realizations emerging from the fake Ottawa "police" (many of whom turned out to be UN troops with no legal authority whatsoever) is that the globalist cabal doesn't have enough people to carry out their tyranny. They have to recruit mercenaries from other regions and pay them to brutalize the local people under tyrannical authoritarianism.

In a way, this is actually good news since it reveals how thin the globalists' ranks are when it comes to finding minions who will carry out their nefarious plans to crush dissent and enslave humanity. It turns out that most people won't go along with pure evil once they finally recognize it.

Once the critical mass of awakening is achieved, the globalist cabal will be outnumbered 1000 to 1 by informed, courageous, pro-liberty citizens of the world who will dismantle the global prison planet grid and remove the tyrants from power.


https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-02...the-planet-as-globalist-tyrants-revealed.html
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Plagiarism again, Bubba? Passing off other loon's words are your own?
Naughty.
Citation needed for the highlighted.
Nothing needed for the rest of it: unevidenced bilge, unworthy of comment or consideration.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/israel-is-overrun-with-covid-the/comments?utm_source=url

https://vidmax.com/video/210408-vac...-300-increase-in-cancer-miscarriages-and-more
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You found the dumbest claims, or close to it, about the the Virus...

YOU made no comment? Do you have a comment on why you posted lies about Covid? Do you have a clue they are lies and BS? No, or what?

Are you posting the dumbest claims about Covid you can find... and correctly posted the CTs here in CTLand...
 
Petra said:
Thus my claim stands that the "suspicion of a novel virus based on 44 cases of pneumonia of unknown origin" is unscientific. If no one responds by tomorrow morning I shall take this as tacit agreement that the first step in the pandemic narrative, the suspicion of a "novel" virus, is unscientific after which I'll move onto the next step which I will claim is also unscientific.
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I guess this is what hating science does to a person.

From now on I'll take anything you say as tacit agreement that the fires you're trying to put out are fueled by your own brain farts.
 
Bubba said:
One of the most important realizations emerging from the fake Ottawa "police" (many of whom turned out to be UN troops with no legal authority whatsoever) is that the globalist cabal doesn't have enough people to carry out their tyranny. They have to recruit mercenaries from other regions and pay them to brutalize the local people under tyrannical authoritarianism.
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Fooled again.
Fact Check: United Nations Airplane In North Bay, Ontario Is NOT Connected To Police In Ottawa (leadstories.com)

Stop reading that clickbait propaganda, then maybe you won't be so consistently, embarrassingly wrong.
 
eerok said:
I guess this is what hating science does to a person.

From now on I'll take anything you say as tacit agreement that the fires you're trying to put out are fueled by your own brain farts.
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This is also what only listening to yourself does. Petra has had numerous detailed, factual responses to her silly claim. She just doesn't read them, because, like, other people are, like, stoopid.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Illuminati are destroying the white peoples.

Covid-19 is performing a medical operation(destroying) with vaccines and covid hospital medicines and respirators.

Countries are not destroying their own elements, the Illuminati are destroying (white)people all over the world.
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I'm not going to waste words on this bollocks. Here, have a video:

 
Emre_1974tr said:
The Illuminati are destroying the white peoples.

Covid-19 is performing a medical operation(destroying) with vaccines and covid hospital medicines and respirators.

Countries are not destroying their own elements, the Illuminati are destroying (white)people all over the world.
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White people have it coming.

But seriously, now that you've introduced racism, care to add some misogyny in as well?
 
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