Merged The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

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Scorpion said:
Not true ! the Quran says you can beat your wives.

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No. Wrong translation.

Real translation:

4:34 The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No. Wrong translation.

Real translation:

4:34 The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great
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The translation I posted was Yusuf Ali, and here are four others that say beat, or scourge wives. Your translation looks like the faulty one.

Khalifa 4.34
The men are made responsible for the women,** and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

Pickthall 4.34

Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

Shakir 4.34

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Sherali 4.34

Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.
 
Why does God allow bad translations?

How do we know which translation is accurate?

Why any of this?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Why does God allow bad translations?

How do we know which translation is accurate?

Why any of this?
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And then you not only have the bad translations from one language to another, but also the translations by individuals (as to what they mean), and also the exclusion of other text (or books) that were decided (by men almost exclusively) that they not be included in whatever book is considered to be inspired by God.

Not to mention that none of these books are proven to be from or inspired by God, who has also never been proven to be real.

The only thing I believe is what almost every religion believes and that is some form of the golden rule.

IMHO, everything else is just plain bull ****!!
 
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Emre_1974tr said:
No. Wrong translation.

Real translation:

4:34 The men are to support the women by what God has gifted them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The reformed women are devotees and protectors of privacy what God has protected. As for those women from whom you fear disloyalty, then you shall advise them, abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate them; if they obey you, then do not seek a way over them; God is High, Great
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Prove it!

Otherwise, it's just bull ****!!

ETA: I hope it's obvious that I'm not advocating the beating of women.

IF god is real, I doubt she would advocate beating women, but IF god is a man, then that would certainly explain all the crap that's been going on throughout history.
 
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Seems Allah was a dreadfully bad author because he could not write down clearly what he meant. Every single translator seems to get a different meaning. Then they argue and fight about it. Good job, Allah!
 
Someone answer me.

Why doesn't the all powerful God just snap his fingers and make a clear, concise guidebook with no parables, no metaphors, no vague colorful language in everyone's preferred language, complete with an index, a glossary, diagrams, and a 1-800 number to call with questions just magically appear on everyone's night stand?

To use a metaphor I used before why do the equivalent of me rehydrating a batch of Sea Monkeys, taking one out of the tank, telling in English a vague parable about a donkey, a can of whipped cream, and a one legged prostitute, putting it back in the tank, waiting for 30 generations, and THEN telling all the Sea Monkeys that I'm going to kill all the ones that didn't understand that the story about the donkey, whipped cream, and prostitute meant they were supposed to face West 3 times a day and tell me how much they like my haircut?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Someone answer me.

Why doesn't the all powerful God just snap his fingers and make a clear, concise guidebook with no parables, no metaphors, no vague colorful language in everyone's preferred language, complete with an index, a glossary, diagrams, and a 1-800 number to call with questions just magically appear on everyone's night stand?

To use a metaphor I used before why do the equivalent of me rehydrating a batch of Sea Monkeys, taking one out of the tank, telling in English a vague parable about a donkey, a can of whipped cream, and a one legged prostitute, putting it back in the tank, waiting for 30 generations, and THEN telling all the Sea Monkeys that I'm going to kill all the ones that didn't understand that the story about the donkey, whipped cream, and prostitute meant they were supposed to face West 3 times a day and tell me how much they like my haircut?
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Personally, I would love that, but I think the reason she doesn't is because the golden rule is already self-explanatory. People (not god) are the ones who want to add all kinds of other bull **** to give themselves an out when they commit evil acts, but what do I know.

Of course, that all depends on whether she really exist or not.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Why does God allow bad translations?

How do we know which translation is accurate?

Why any of this?
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As I said before, this world is a world of testing. The world of confronting ourselves. We are getting what we deserve.

By the way, check out this video where the literal translation of the verse is explained (the video is in Turkish, but you can watch it with the English translation of the subtitle)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxG_wUdp3I
 
Emre_1974tr said:
As I said before, this world is a world of testing. The world of confronting ourselves. We are getting what we deserve.

By the way, check out this video where the literal translation of the verse is explained (the video is in Turkish, but you can watch it with the English translation of the subtitle)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yxG_wUdp3I
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Sorry, but faith-based answers are not answers, but guesses.

ETA: IMHO, I could also be wrong, but that doesn't automatically make you right either, unless you can prove it.

Also, how do you know what I've posted isn't or wasn't inspired by god?
 
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An English translation of a discussion in Turkish about an Arabic text?

And this life is a test where god knows the results?

I am less than convinced. Much less
 
Call me when God starts a Youtube channel. Until then it's all the same insane gibberish.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Looking at this thread and the heydarian one, are there any Muslims out there who actually believe the Islam we have today is the real Islam? All we get on this forum is Muslims telling us how wrong all the other Muslims are.
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Emre_1974tr said:
No. Let go of the hadiths and the nonsense of the sects.

Bukhari like Matta or markos, Lukka, Yuhanna. They are liars.

We are talking about Islam, the religion of God, here.

The only source of Islam is the Qur'an:

http://quranic.org/
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See? :rolleyes:
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Or, to be more precise, the translation and interpretation of the Qur'an favoured by a single Turkish professor.
Why is this guy right, and all the other Muslims wrong, Emre?
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No, the Qur'an interprets itself. So I only make my own comments, I don't look at anyone's opinions.

I also research translations myself. All translations have errors. I always find the correct translation myself.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No, the Qur'an interprets itself. So I only make my own comments, I don't look at anyone's opinions.

I also research translations myself. All translations have errors. I always find the correct translation myself.
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You still haven't given us any proof that it's the word of or even inspired by god, or that god even exist.

In other words, what you believe in is one big fairy tale, and no better than a good Stephen King novel.

I'll stick with the golden rule. It's better than any "holy" book inspired by any "pretend" made-up god created by man in their own image.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Seems Allah was a dreadfully bad author because he could not write down clearly what he meant. Every single translator seems to get a different meaning. Then they argue and fight about it. Good job, Allah!
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If you ever want to have a good time pick a fight with one of the "The Quran is written so perfectly it's proof of blah blah" types. You have to look harder but you can find them with the Bible (even the King James Bible specifically if you look hard enough) as well.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
No, the Qur'an interprets itself. So I only make my own comments, I don't look at anyone's opinions.

I also research translations myself. All translations have errors. I always find the correct translation myself.
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Wow!

It must be so very nice to know so much about life, the universe and everything.
 
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