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halleyscomet said:
Nope. It’s all mythology. You might as well claim Zeus really does make lighting.
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In some versions of the myths Zeus doesn't make the lightning bolts, he merely wields them. They're made for him by other beings. Some versions it's Hephaestos, others have it a group of three Titans, or somebody else. The point is Zeus is merely a distributor, not a manufacturer, although likely he tied it up legally with a licensing deal so nobody else could wield lightning. Zeus is exactly like Jane Seymour: nobody believes she actually designed her Open Hearts jewelry line, and also she murders people with lightning and seduces people while taking the shape of swans, etc.

Jane Seymour is not mentioned by name in the Koran but she's alluded to three times.
 
19:71 about unbelievers/sinners.

19:66 And man says: "Can it be that when I am dead, I will be brought out alive?" 19:67 Does the human being not remember that We created him before that and he was nothing at all?19:68 By your Lord, We will gather them and the devils, then We will place them around hell on their knees. 19:69 Then We will drag out from every group which of them was the worst opposition to the Gracious. 19:70 Then, it is We who are best aware of those who deserve to be burnt therein. 19:71 Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
It's like dwarf wrestling. It's complete nonsense on both sides, only distinguished by different funny styles of delivery. :)
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Sure, but it has inexplicably become borne out in reality. It's a tad freaky. Somehow, emre thought that by calling himself emre nobody would notice. WTAF?

That is a kettle of nutty that is frankly scary. I hesitate to unpick it.
 
Emre_1974tr said:
19:71 about unbelievers/sinners.

19:66 And man says: "Can it be that when I am dead, I will be brought out alive?" 19:67 Does the human being not remember that We created him before that and he was nothing at all?19:68 By your Lord, We will gather them and the devils, then We will place them around hell on their knees. 19:69 Then We will drag out from every group which of them was the worst opposition to the Gracious. 19:70 Then, it is We who are best aware of those who deserve to be burnt therein. 19:71 Every single one of you must pass by it. This for your Lord is a certainty that will come to pass.
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'Unbelievers' in Muhammad are not automatically 'sinners' And as I have posted previously the unholy Quran says Allah will burn unbelievers for eternity.
 
By Allah, it is well -- no, it is not well. For emre who became naught is returned as emre who will become a dealer in shish kabob, or as it may be a merchant of aluminum cookware. So it was probably foretold in some hadith somewhere. May the lorries he hath sealed in Erezum be not unsealed until they reach Hamburg, and his uncle, yay his very uncle, receives the goods therein with no duties owing to any infidel!

May I be paid not the wages owed me as a missionary if all this come not to pass. Salah.
 
The age of the universe is three times the age of our Earth.

Quran 50:38. We assuredly created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days, and nothing of fatigue touched us.

Quran 41.9 Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

The verses say the universes and our universe have been created in 6 days/stages, and our Earth is in 2 days/phases.

So the age or creation phase of the universe means three times the age of our Earth or the stage of creation.

Today, science also gives a similar knowledge: Our universe is 13.5 billion years old and our Earth is 4.5 billion years old....

In other words, science indicates that the age of our universe is 3 times the age of our Earth(4.5 X 3 = 13.5).
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Nonsense !

The Qur'an says in Surah Fussilat that :

1) Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." , And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.

Conclusion : God created the earth, its mountains and creatures in 4 days


2) Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."


Conclusion : The heaven (Universe) was still smoke when Allah finished everything on earth .. which is supported by another Surah (Al-Baqarah) : "It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things."


3)And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

Conclusion : Then he made them 7 heavens, and adorned the nearest (our Universe) with stars in 2 days


So it follows that what the Qur'an says is the following :

1) 4 days to create the earth , mountains and creatures.
2) 2 days to divide the heaven into 7 heavens , and adorn the first with stars (the Universe).


What does science say ? (if we can translate it into this nonsensical language of days)

1) Universe from Big Bang to the formation of the earth : 9.2 Billion years ==> 4 days
2) The earth and everything on it : 4.5 billion years ==> 2 days (so far , after another billion years, this number will be different).


Compare the two.

Apparently the Qur'an got it backwards,


Besides , the Qur'an says that when He finished creating the earth, its mountains and its creatures, the Universe was still a smoke. Then he made it 7 heavens, and adorned the first heaven with stars.

This is nonsense, since we know that the elements on earth (the periodic table) are synthesized inside stars (up to iron - Fe) , and elements with greater atomic numbers are synthecized in supernovae explosions (death of other stars).

The earth came from the stars... and not what the Qur'an says.


That the Qur'an is from God is an extraordinary claim , and what we see is a very modest (if not mistaken) performance that does not reflect the enormity of the claim.

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MohamedTaqi said:
Nonsense !

The Qur'an says in Surah Fussilat that :

1) Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds." , And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.

Conclusion : God created the earth, its mountains and creatures in 4 days
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Welcome to ISF Mohamed.

I'd read that as six days myself, two days to form the planet and then four shaping the surface and stocking it with flora and fauna. It seems to be two separately described operations. These gods eh? Fine for making planets but they all seem to cut corners when it comes to writing a clear user manual!
 
Welcome to ISF Mohamed.

I'd read that as six days myself, two days to form the planet and then four shaping the surface and stocking it with flora and fauna. It seems to be two separately described operations. These gods eh? Fine for making planets but they all seem to cut corners when it comes to writing a clear user manual
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Thank you Denyer !

Yes, in the English translation you wouldn't understand that the 2 days to create the earth are included in the 4 days.

In Arabic, it can be understood both ways, that is : 6 days or 4 days in total. The Qur'an is not used to details, it is like a poetic work that does its best to rhyme : (Albeit sometimes it uses more words than necessary just for the sake of the rhyme).

But the Tafaseer (that is : explanations and commentaries on the Qur'an) say that the 4 days include the 2 days in the beginning of the verse. Sometimes Qur'an is explained using other verses in the Qu'ran. And since it already said somewhere else that the Heavens and earth were created in 6 days in total, it cannot be 8 days here.

But nevertheless, these verses are still problematic as far as science is concerned.

Yes, Gods reflect the mindset of the people who created them , just contemplate how the Gods of the Maya, Egyptians, Greeks..etc reflect the people who believe in them. The Abrahamic God is no exception.

Thank you again !
 
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MohamedTaqi said:
Thank you Denyer !

Yes, in the English translation you wouldn't understand that the 2 days to create the earth are included in the 4 days.

In Arabic, it can be understood both ways, that is : 6 days or 4 days in total. The Qur'an is not used to details, it is like a poetic work that does its best to rhyme : (Albeit sometimes it uses more words than necessary just for the sake of the rhyme).

But the Tafaseer (that is : explanations and commentaries on the Qur'an) say that the 4 days include the 2 days in the beginning of the verse. Sometimes Qur'an is explained using other verses in the Qu'ran. And since it already said somewhere else that the Heavens and earth were created in 6 days in total, it cannot be 8 days here.

But nevertheless, these verses are still problematic as far as science is concerned.

Yes, Gods reflect the mindset of the people who created them , just contemplate how the Gods of the Maya, Egyptians, Greeks..etc reflect the people who believe in them. The Abrahamic God is no exception.

Thank you again !
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Thank you for the clarification and context. It's always good to learn something.

BTW: I prefer 'P.J.' to just 'Denyer' if you want to abbreviate my name.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Welcome to ISF Mohamed.

I'd read that as six days myself, two days to form the planet and then four shaping the surface and stocking it with flora and fauna. It seems to be two separately described operations. These gods eh? Fine for making planets but they all seem to cut corners when it comes to writing a clear user manual!
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I wrote the following piece on the six day creation myth some years ago....




It is clear that the quran is echoing the bible on the matter of the six days of creation, and the bible also says that a day in the sight of God is as a thousand years to us. This means that both the bible and the quran are saying that God created the heaven and earth in six thousand years. As this is obviously not the case, I put it to you that the real source of the creation myth as it appears in the quran is in fact the bible.
We know the universe has existed for around fourteen billion years, and we have hubble space telescope pictures of the edge of the universe to prove it.
We also know that the age of the earth is around four billion years, so we know that the universe existed for ten billion years before the earth was formed. We also know that the earth is made of atoms that were formed in the first stars, and ejected into space after they exploded. So planets could not even have been created for the first few billion years of the universe, because there were no heavy atoms in existence. So the bible is wrong and the quran exactly repeats this mythology.

Quran, surah 7.54 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, surah 10.3 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, surah 11.7 And He it is. Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, surah 25.59 Who created the heaven and earth and all that is between them in six days.

Quran, surah 50.38 And surely We created the heaven and earth, and all that is between them, in six days.

Quran, surah 57.4 He it is Who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, surah 22.47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran, surah 32.4 Allah it is who created the heaven and earth, and that which is between them, in six days. The he mounted the throne. You have not beside him a protecting friend or mediator. Will you not then remember?

Quran, surah 32.5 He directs the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascends unto him, in a day whereof the measure is a thousand years of that you reckon.

Here are the bible sources for these texts.

Bible, Genesis 1.31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Bible 2Peter 3.8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is as with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 
Scorpion said:
I wrote the following piece on the six day creation myth some years ago....




It is clear that the quran is echoing the bible on the matter of the six days of creation, and the bible also says that a day in the sight of God is as a thousand years to us. This means that both the bible and the quran are saying that God created the heaven and earth in six thousand years. As this is obviously not the case, I put it to you that the real source of the creation myth as it appears in the quran is in fact the bible.
We know the universe has existed for around fourteen billion years, and we have hubble space telescope pictures of the edge of the universe to prove it.
We also know that the age of the earth is around four billion years, so we know that the universe existed for ten billion years before the earth was formed. We also know that the earth is made of atoms that were formed in the first stars, and ejected into space after they exploded. So planets could not even have been created for the first few billion years of the universe, because there were no heavy atoms in existence. So the bible is wrong and the quran exactly repeats this mythology.

Quran, surah 7.54 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, surah 10.3 Lo! your Lord is Allah who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, surah 11.7 And He it is. Who created the heavens and the earth in six days.

Quran, surah 25.59 Who created the heaven and earth and all that is between them in six days.

Quran, surah 50.38 And surely We created the heaven and earth, and all that is between them, in six days.

Quran, surah 57.4 He it is Who created the heaven and earth in six days.

Quran, surah 22.47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning.

Quran, surah 32.4 Allah it is who created the heaven and earth, and that which is between them, in six days. The he mounted the throne. You have not beside him a protecting friend or mediator. Will you not then remember?

Quran, surah 32.5 He directs the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascends unto him, in a day whereof the measure is a thousand years of that you reckon.

Here are the bible sources for these texts.

Bible, Genesis 1.31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Bible 2Peter 3.8 But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is as with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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I totally agree , The Qur'an does not make it clear what it means by "6 days" .. at worst it means well , 6 days .. or 144 hours.

At best : 6 days = 50,000 * 6 = 300,000 years

Still it is nothing compared to 13.7 billion years.

Even Hinduism did a better Job, though 150,000 Billion years (or even more) is far fetched. But thinking about those numbers thousands of years ago is impressive.
 
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Today Muslims do not follow the Qur'an. They are following your fake Bible, and other hadith books(Like Bukhari) . That's why they live like a Jew or a Christian. According to your Bible, there is compulsion in religion.

They are products of your hadith books. False Torah, False Injeels, Bukhari's books. Example stoning(rajm) is in the hadith books and in the your fake Bible. The headscarf, circumcision, stoning (rajm), attacks to others, communism, black stone are in your false Bible. Arab countries live according to your false biblical principles. And but Christian countries experiencing the teachings of the Koran(no rajm,no circumcision, no headscarf, and they live in wealth, luxury and science...).

In Quran no rajm(stoning), no circumcision, no headscarf, no communism, no attacks to others.

Today Muslims live like christians. And today christians live like Muslims.
 
Looking at this thread and the heydarian one, are there any Muslims out there who actually believe the Islam we have today is the real Islam? All we get on this forum is Muslims telling us how wrong all the other Muslims are.
 
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