Merged The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah

[Scorpion]

Much like the Christian Bible, then.

The Quran is largely direct plagiarism from the bible, and also from other sources like Arabian myths.

 

[Scorpion]

You refer to the gospel of the infancy of jesus. That book is as valid as any of the gospels. It dates to the same time period as Matt, Mark, Luke and John. But you do not accept it.

Why is that?

The infancy gospels are regarded as an attempt by an early Christian to fill in the gaps in the bible about Jesus early years. They were written in about 150AD and are obvious fiction.

 

[Scorpion]

Emre, your link about the sun having an orbit is completely deceitful propaganda. The Quran says the sun has an orbit and the following hadith proves it means the sun orbits the earth.


when the Quran says, at surah 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But the Quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. The hadith is clearly saying the sun orbits the earth, and it is a fuller explanation of verse 36.38 in the Quran.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Since you have embraced the hadiths and the false Bible, you have accepted defeat again.

You see, the Quran never says that. The Qur'an says the exact opposite. He says the sun has a different orbit.

The only source of Islamic religion is the Qur'an.


38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-sun-also-moves-along/

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-orbit-of-the-moon/

You know that well, but since you're a paid missionary, you're deliberately trying to write wrong information. Or you won't get paid.

Yes, the Qur'an again corrected another mistake of the Bible.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

gaps in the bible about Jesus early years .

No, that's the lie your clergy made up.

Whatever your clergy says, you adopting the same like a robot.

The fact that Jesus made mud birds is real.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

.....but since you're a paid missionary,

Who is paying scorpion to promote christian mythology?

Who is paying you to spread Islamic mythology?


Can't you two get a room on a religious forum for religious people?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Since you have embraced the hadiths and the false Bible, you have accepted defeat again.

You see, the Quran never says that. The Qur'an says the exact opposite. He says the sun has a different orbit.

The only source of Islamic religion is the Qur'an.


38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-sun-also-moves-along/

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-orbit-of-the-moon/

You know that well, but since you're a paid missionary, you're deliberately trying to write wrong information. Or you won't get paid.

Yes, the Qur'an again corrected another mistake of the Bible.

Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. -- Quran 18:86
Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. -- Quran 18:90

 

[Scorpion]

No, that's the lie your clergy made up.

Whatever your clergy says, you adopting the same like a robot.

The fact that Jesus made mud birds is real.

The story in the quran concerning Jesus childhood, about an incident where he makes a clay bird and brings it to life is not a part of the Christian bible, and the original texts are considered apocryphal. They are regarded by Christian scholars as having been written in around 150AD, as propaganda by the early Christians, attempting to fill in the missing years of Jesus life.So what are these stories doing in the quran claiming to be a message from God?

The following are two verses in the quran that contain the references.
From the Yusuf Ali translation.

003.049 "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by God's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in
your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

005.110 Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold ! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'


As can be seen the quran speaks of only one bird, and says Jesus breathed life into it. But the only historical text that contains such a story speaks of 12 birds, and they were brought to life by Jesus commanding them to "Go". Therefore the quran does not even get the details of the original fictional document correct. Added to this the New Testament states that Jesus did his first miracle at a time he was around thirty years old. (John 2.11)

Here is the relevant text, translated from Greek and written in, The Apocryphal New Testament, by M.R.James, published by Oxford:Clarendon press, 1924.
The stories of Thomas the Israelite, (not St Thomas of the bible) the philosopher, concerning the works of the childhood of the Lord.

1. I, Thomas the Israelite, tell you, and all the brethren that are Gentile, the works of the childhood of our Lord Jesus Christ and his mighty deeds, and all that he did when he was born in our land.
2.1 This little child Jesus when he was five years old was playing at the ford of a brook: and he gathered together the water that flowed there into pools, and made them clean, and commanded them by his word alone.
2.2 Having made soft clay, he fashioned twelve sparrows. It was the Sabbath when he did these things. And there were also many other little children playing with him.
2.3. A certain Jew when he saw what Jesus did, playing upon the Sabbath day, departed and told his father Joseph: your child is at the brook, and he has taken clay and fashioned twelve little birds, and has polluted the Sabbath day.
2.4. Joseph came to the place and saw: and cried out to him, saying: Why do you do these things on the Sabbath, which it is not lawful to do? But Jesus clapped his hands together and cried out to the sparrows and said to them: Go! and the sparrows took their flight and went away chirping.
2.5 when the Jews saw it they were amazed, and departed and told their chief men that which they had seen Jesus do.

There is a reference to this story, and the flaws in it in the book.
The original sources of the quran. by William St Clair Tisdall.
This book is in the public domain and can be found on the Internet.

 

[Scorpion]

Since you have embraced the hadiths and the false Bible, you have accepted defeat again.

You see, the Quran never says that. The Qur'an says the exact opposite. He says the sun has a different orbit.

The only source of Islamic religion is the Qur'an.


38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-sun-also-moves-along/

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03/the-orbit-of-the-moon/

You know that well, but since you're a paid missionary, you're deliberately trying to write wrong information. Or you won't get paid.

Yes, the Qur'an again corrected another mistake of the Bible.

The sun does not move to a destination, it smoothly orbits the galaxy. But the Quran does not mean that. Like the hadith says it means the sun orbits a flat earth and is reset to its starting point every dawn.

 

[Scorpion]

Emre, you said in post 1479 Good people will go to heaven. But that is not what the Quran says. It clearly states unbelievers will burn in eternal hellfire. I just went to the trouble of listing those verses for you.




Chapter 4 The Women سورة النساء - An-Nisa: Verse 151
They are in truth (equally) unbelievers; and we have prepared for unbelievers a humiliating punishment.

Chapter 18 The cave سورة الكهف - Al-Kahf: Verse 102
Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment.

Chapter 18 The cave سورة الكهف - Al-Kahf: Verse
And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-

Chapter 33 The Coalition سورة الأحزاب - Al-Ahzab: Verse 64
Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers and prepared for them a Blazing Fire,-

Chapter 38 Sad سورة ص - Sad: Verse 27
Not without purpose did We create heaven and earth and all between! that were the thought of Unbelievers! but woe to the Unbelievers because of the Fire (of Hell)!

Chapter 40 The Forgiver سورة غافر - Ghafir: Verse 6
Thus was the Decree of thy Lord proved true against the Unbelievers; that truly they are Companions of the Fire!

Chapter 51 The winnowing winds سورة الذاريات - Adh-Dhariyat: Verse 60
Woe, then, to the Unbelievers, on account of that Day of theirs which they have been promised!


Chapter 9 Repentance سورة التوبة - At-Taubah: Verse 73
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

Chapter 13 The Thunder سورة الرعد - Ar-Rad: Verse 32
Mocked were (many) messengers before thee: but I granted respite to the unbelievers, and finally I punished them: Then how (terrible) was my requital!


Chapter 14 Abraham سورة إبراهيم - Ibrahim: Verse 2
Of Allah, to Whom do belong all things in the heavens and on earth! But alas for the Unbelievers for a terrible penalty (their Unfaith will bring them)!-


Chapter 21 The Prophets سورة الأنبياء - Al-Anbiya: Verse 98
Verily ye, (unbelievers), and the (false) gods that ye worship besides Allah, are (but) fuel for Hell! to it will ye (surely) come!


Chapter 24 The Light سورة النور - An-Noor: Verse 57
Never think thou that the Unbelievers are going to frustrate (Allah's Plan) on earth: their abode is the Fire,- and it is indeed an evil refuge!

Chapter 32 The Prostration سورة السجدة - As-Sajda: Verse 29
Say: "On the Day of Decision, no profit will it be to Unbelievers if they (then) believe! nor will they be granted a respite."

Chapter 33 The Coalition سورة الأحزاب - Al-Ahzab: Verse 8
That (Allah) may question the (custodians) of Truth concerning the Truth they (were charged with): And He has prepared for the Unbelievers a grievous Penalty.

Chapter 41 Explained in detail سورة فصلت - Fussilat: Verse 27
But We will certainly give the Unbelievers a taste of a severe Penalty, and We will requite them for the worst of their deeds.


Chapter 42 Council, Consultation سورة الشورى - Ash-Shura: Verse 26
And He listens to those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, and gives them increase of His Bounty: but for the Unbelievers their is a terrible Penalty.

Chapter 66 Banning سورة التحريم - At-Tahrim: Verse 9
O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).

Chapter 8 Spoils of war, booty سورة الأنفال - Al-Anfal: Verse 36
The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-


Chapter 22 The Pilgrimage سورة الحج - Al-Hajj: Verse 72
When Our Clear Signs are rehearsed to them, thou wilt notice a denial on the faces of the Unbelievers! they nearly attack with violence those who rehearse Our Signs to them. Say, "Shall I tell you of something (far) worse than these Signs? It is the Fire (of Hell)! Allah has promised it to the Unbelievers! and evil is that destination!"

Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 151
Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!


Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 178
Let not the Unbelievers think that our respite to them is good for themselves: We grant them respite that they may grow in their iniquity: But they will have a shameful punishment.

Chapter 5 The Table Spread سورة المائدة - Al-Maeda: Verse 80
Thou seest many of them turning in friendship to the Unbelievers. Evil indeed are (the works) which their souls have sent forward before them (with the result), that Allah's wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.

Chapter 8 Spoils of war, booty سورة الأنفال - Al-Anfal: Verse 50
If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers (at death), (How) they smite their faces and their backs, (saying): "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire-

Chapter 9 Repentance سورة التوبة - At-Taubah: Verse 26
But Allah did pour His calm on the Messenger and on the Believers, and sent down forces which ye saw not: He punished the Unbelievers; thus doth He reward those without Faith.


Chapter 9 Repentance سورة التوبة - At-Taubah: Verse 49
Among them is (many) a man who says: "Grant me exemption and draw me not into trial." Have they not fallen into trial already? and indeed Hell surrounds the Unbelievers (on all sides).


Chapter 9 Repentance سورة التوبة - At-Taubah: Verse 90
And there were, among the desert Arabs (also), men who made excuses and came to claim exemption; and those who were false to Allah and His Messenger (merely) sat inactive. Soon will a grievous penalty seize the Unbelievers among them.

Chapter 21 The Prophets سورة الأنبياء - Al-Anbiya: Verse 39
If only the Unbelievers knew (the time) when they will not be able to ward off the fire from their faces, nor yet from their backs, and (when) no help can reach them!


Chapter 21 The Prophets سورة الأنبياء - Al-Anbiya: Verse 97
Then will the true promise draw nigh (of fulfilment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!"

 

[Scorpion]

Emre, you said the hell will end but the Quran says it is for eternity,

Quran 41.28
Such is the requital of the enemies of Allah,- the Fire: therein will be for them the Eternal Home: a (fit) requital, for that they were wont to reject Our Signs.

 

[abaddon]

The infancy gospels are regarded as an attempt by an early Christian to fill in the gaps in the bible about Jesus early years. They were written in about 150AD and are obvious fiction.

So just like the rest of the gospels, right?

 

[abaddon]

No, that's the lie your clergy made up.

Whatever your clergy says, you adopting the same like a robot.

The fact that Jesus made mud birds is real.

I have no "clergy" and I am pretty sure that scorpion has none either. It matters not what Scorpion believes about anything, he has flat out stated that he has no affiliation to any religion.

The real problem here is that you are working from false assumptions. You assume that we are all christian bible followers. And that is blatantly untrue.

For myself, I have read the bible. I have read the quran. Both are stupid.

 

[halleyscomet]

Since you have embraced the hadiths and the false Bible, you have accepted defeat again.



...

You know that well, but since you're a paid missionary, you're deliberately trying to write wrong information. Or you won't get paid.



Yes, the Qur'an again corrected another mistake of the Bible.

Dude, it doesn’t help your case when you so blatantly and comically lie about and slander your critics. Personal insults are not looked on kindly by the moderators.

 

[halleyscomet]

No, that's the lie your clergy made up.



Whatever your clergy says, you adopting the same like a robot.



The fact that Jesus made mud birds is real.

Nope. It’s all mythology. You might as well claim Zeus really does make lighting.

 

[Scorpion]

Emre , Here are two verses that make it absolutely clear Allah's hell is forever.

Surah 4.168
Lo those who disbelieve and deal in wrong. Allah will never forgive them, neither will he guide them unto a road
Surah 4.169
Except the road of hell , wherein they will abide for ever. And that is ever easy for Allah

 

[halleyscomet]

 

[Emre_1974tr]

According to the false Bible, the number of people who fled Egypt with Moses is in the millions:

The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Sukkoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. Many other people went up with them, and also large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds. [Exodus 12:37-38]

And as it turns out, this community also met Egypt's labor needs. If millions of such people had actually left the country overnight, considering the scarcity of the world's population at that time, it would have been a terrible exodus mentioned in the history books. That's not the case, of course.

The Qur'an again wrote the truth, and it was a small community that set out with Moses and Aaron:

Quran: And We inspired to Moses, “Travel by night with My servants; indeed, you will be pursued.” Then Pharaoh sent among the cities gatherers [And said], “Indeed, those are but a small band” [Chapter 26, verses 52-54]

 

[steenkh]

So one invented story differs from another invented story. What is the point?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

So one invented story differs from another invented story. What is the point?

It's like dwarf wrestling. It's complete nonsense on both sides, only distinguished by different funny styles of delivery.