Book burning in Tennessee

The Don said:
Who the heck would find this arousing ? :boggled:

I think anyone who does has bigger problems than encountering the picture as described above..
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The issue I have with the "naked mouse" claims is that it makes it appear that the person making the claim has never read the novel. I'm certain that 99% of the people who want the book banned have not read it. I think most of the people commenting on this thread have not read it either.

If I'm wrong, then that is fine.
 
Ranb said:
The issue I have with the "naked mouse" claims is that it makes it appear that the person making the claim has never read the novel. I'm certain that 99% of the people who want the book banned have not read it. I think most of the people commenting on this thread have not read it either.

If I'm wrong, then that is fine.
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I initially assumed a naked mouse, having read the book long ago. I then read that the offending scene is not a mouse, dug the book back up, and made a correction, but since then I have read another account that reasserts that, among the numerous objections, basically an objection to depicting the holocaust at all, naked mice are once again listed. I haven't had the time to go back and reread the whole thing to see if that's true. I think Maus II may have more camp scenes in it. I think it a relatively small issue in a story of complacent social, if not purely racial, supremacy implemented with frightening and boundless stupidity.

I imagine that most of those who want it banned have not read it, and are assuming that their leaders and influencers are enough to do the heavy lifting. But it's possible that others of us here have just forgotten the details, since, after all, this book came out in 1986, and some of us read it then.

e.t.a. quick addition: yes, plenty of naked mice in Maus II. I don't know if the ban was broad enough (or informed enough) to include the second volume, or if recent editions have combined the two. I read the two together, and most likely confused which volume contains which parts.
 
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Always wondered about people who burn books. I mean, don't they stop at some point and look around and realize that they are the Baddies? You don't generally burn things you dislike, unless you are a very violent person. Like, if my kid's crew team loses to a rival team, they don't throw them in a bonfire.
 
Thermal said:
Always wondered about people who burn books. I mean, don't they stop at some point and look around and realize that they are the Baddies? You don't generally burn things you dislike, unless you are a very violent person. Like, if my kid's crew team loses to a rival team, they don't throw them in a bonfire.
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I doubt it.

The kind(s) of people who are willing to burn books (or records, or videos or DVDs or whatever) aren't likely to be given to that kind of introspection. They're so sure that they are protecting those in need of protection and that their actions are effective, proportional and justifiable that they cannot conceive that they are the "bad guys" particularly if they have very well defined ideas about right and wrong.

They burn things not necessarily because they violent, but because they are angry - righteously angry - that this kind of filth is polluting the lives and values of the people they care about. Only perverts and degenerates would even worry about this kind of thing.
 
They probably just think "Well at least we are thinking for ourselves and not listening to anyone else, that's really what is important."
 
The Don said:
I doubt it.

The kind(s) of people who are willing to burn books (or records, or videos or DVDs or whatever) aren't likely to be given to that kind of introspection. They're so sure that they are protecting those in need of protection and that their actions are effective, proportional and justifiable that they cannot conceive that they are the "bad guys" particularly if they have very well defined ideas about right and wrong.

They burn things not necessarily because they violent, but because they are angry - righteously angry - that this kind of filth is polluting the lives and values of the people they care about. Only perverts and degenerates would even worry about this kind of thing.
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Yeah, but...it's Harry Potter and the freaking Twilight series. How fire and brimstone can you really get about light juvenile fiction? There is a metric **** ton of dark and disturbing things out there, as my browser history will attest. So they go ape **** over cheesy romance stories with a vampire? What do they do when they come up against something genuinely malignant? Elect it pastor?
 
Thermal said:
Yeah, but...it's Harry Potter and the freaking Twilight series. How fire and brimstone can you really get about light juvenile fiction? There is a metric **** ton of dark and disturbing things out there, as my browser history will attest. So they go ape **** over cheesy romance stories with a vampire? What do they do when they come up against something genuinely malignant? Elect it pastor?
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They don't encounter anything genuinely malignant because they're completely incurious. The only books that exist are those that come to their attention would be those which are in the mass-market like Potter and Twilight or a handful of high profile, critically acclaimed works like Maus which have somehow ended up in their local library/bookshop/book club.

Rather like the music that ends up being banned or getting "Content Advisory" notices are also pretty mainstream because the really disturbing underground stuff doesn't come to the attention of busybodies.
 
bruto said:
e.t.a. quick addition: yes, plenty of naked mice in Maus II. I don't know if the ban was broad enough (or informed enough) to include the second volume, or if recent editions have combined the two. I read the two together, and most likely confused which volume contains which parts.
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Yeah, I looked at my book again and see some naked mice. Thanks.

I guess when I was first looking/reading the book, the fact that the mice were naked did not just register at all considering the overall subject matter.
 
Ranb said:
Yeah, I looked at my book again and see some naked mice. Thanks.

I guess when I was first looking/reading the book, the fact that the mice were naked did not just register at all considering the overall subject matter.
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OK, I have to ask: how can mice be 'naked'? Are they hairless and this is somehow inappropriate? I don't get it.
 
Stacyhs said:
OK, I have to ask: how can mice be 'naked'? Are they hairless and this is somehow inappropriate? I don't get it.
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Don’t Google “furries”.

(ETA: a quick Google of “Maus nudity” does, however, gives a good example.)

I’ve been working through some of the banned books my culture warrior social media “friends” have been clutching their pearls about. “New Kid” is a graphic novel about a black kid that goes to a high-end private school. I saw nothing inappropriate about it for, I don’t know, 4th grade and older, unless you are offended by black people having a perspective and opinions about everyday racism.

“Gender Queer”, which my CW friend advertised as pushing pornography on kids, is another graphic novel memoir and I can’t imagine my CW friend actually ever read the thing. There is one bit of actual nudity, at an OBGYN appointment, and it is a fairly horrific depiction of the author’s physical pain. There is another scene where the author is having sex with a girlfriend, involving a strap-on. Out of context, this is clearly the scene being described as pornography. In context, it is a semi-traumatic experience for the author and not at all sexy. I’d say it’s appropriate for middle school students and older.
 
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Stacyhs said:
OK, I have to ask: how can mice be 'naked'? Are they hairless and this is somehow inappropriate? I don't get it.
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They're anthropomorphic cartoon mice.

If you haven't read this, I recommend it (both volumes). The choice of mice and cats is more or less necessary, I think, for the author to have maintained the distance to render the story graphically.
 
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Hey , Gene Kelly danced with a naked mouse ..Tom of Tom And Jerry....in "Anchors Away".
Well, Ok Tom wore a Crown but from the neck down he was stark nakes. ...
 
Upchurch said:
Don’t Google “furries”.

(ETA: a quick Google of “Maus nudity” does, however, gives a good example.)

I’ve been working through some of the banned books my culture warrior social media “friends” have been clutching their pearls about. “New Kid” is a graphic novel about a black kid that goes to a high-end private school. I saw nothing inappropriate about it for, I don’t know, 4th grade and older, unless you are offended by black people having a perspective and opinions about everyday racism.

“Gender Queer”, which my CW friend advertised as pushing pornography on kids, is another graphic novel memoir and I can’t imagine my CW friend actually ever read the thing. There is one bit of actual nudity, at an OBGYN appointment, and it is a fairly horrific depiction of the author’s physical pain. There is another scene where the author is having sex with a girlfriend, involving a strap-on. Out of context, this is clearly the scene being described as pornography. In context, it is a semi-traumatic experience for the author and not at all sexy. I’d say it’s appropriate for middle school students and older.
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Having taught middle school, I'd say this is NOT appropriate for children of that age. It's not 'pornography' but strap-ons for middle school? Nuh-uh.
 
Stacyhs said:
OK, I have to ask: how can mice be 'naked'? Are they hairless and this is somehow inappropriate? I don't get it.
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The mice (pigs, dogs) are anthropomorphic and hairless. Human bodies with an animal head for the most part. There is no mistaking them for what they are; Nazis, Jews and others involved in the Holocaust
 
catsmate said:
Cancel culture at work in the same state that saw Maus pulled from schools over naked mouse.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ing-harry-potter-twilight-us-pastor-tennessee
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I'm surprised they don't ban or burn the bible. There are some really horrifying stories, evil villains, and incest descriptions that make a naked mouse sound quaint and funny.

And talking about naked mice, what about Donald Duck? He walks around with a shirt but no pants.

What the **** is up with that?

Personally, if they started burning my books, I could retire with seven figures in the bank.

Yay!
 
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