Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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A review article on antibodies and Covid-19

Childlike Empress said:
You've relied on a secondary "fact-checking" source while not being anyone familiar with the topic, as you stated in that post. Not good enough for me. Even your secondary source says Bhakdi is "world-renowned" and 40 years in the field teaching that stuff.
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Nonsense; I quoted from the primary literature to show the importance of IgA against this disease. Here is a quote from a review article: "Immunoglobulins IgM, IgA and IgG are key components of the antibody response towards SARS-CoV-2 and differ in titre and duration of response, as with other viral infections (Figure 1) [4]. Table 1 summarizes the SARS-CoV-2 antibody literature to date. This includes seroconversion; how long it takes antibodies to be detected in the serum following infection, response kinetics; how long it takes antibodies to achieve their peak titre, and the prediction of response duration."
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Nonsense; I quoted from the primary literature to show the importance of IgA against this disease. Here is a quote from a review article: "Immunoglobulins IgM, IgA and IgG are key components of the antibody response towards SARS-CoV-2 and differ in titre and duration of response, as with other viral infections (Figure 1) [4]. Table 1 summarizes the SARS-CoV-2 antibody literature to date. This includes seroconversion; how long it takes antibodies to be detected in the serum following infection, response kinetics; how long it takes antibodies to achieve their peak titre, and the prediction of response duration."
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Nonsense. You took the claim of that "fact-checking" site and ran with it. We have no idea if their claim about Bhakdi's claim is true. And I doubt it is.
 
I must say that I had to chuckle about your "graph" a couple more times. "The Economist", right? And they can't even give a proper description of the X-Axis?
 
Veliki George said:
What do you think about this man Johnatan Couey and his claims? He is an actual biologist, he has PHD in neuroscience. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-couey-a20a1383

In this video he is debating another microbiologist, Dan Wilson. https://www.youtube.com/c/DebunktheFunkwithDrWilson?app=desktop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDe4zMqtE2E
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I'm adverse to youtube links. I need the poster to summarize the point(s), and a time stamp for the pertinent content.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I'll be charitable.
In what way were the numbers 'honestly adjusted', so as to change them from showing excess deaths to showing no excess deaths?
I will freely admit to not being a statistician, but I don't see what age and population growth have to do with it. Excess deaths are calculated by using the average of a previous time period, 5 years, for example. That figure would, by definition, already include age and population growth- right?
Also, ourworldindata has breakdowns of excess deaths by age group. There still absolutely were excess deaths in Germany in 2020.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid#what-is-excess-mortality

So, do please explain how deaths already broken down by age group need further 'honest adjustment' to make them say the opposite thing.
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Please study the PDF, for example the data for Finland on page 189ff. Understand the concept. Finland actually had an over-mortality in 2020.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Please study the PDF, for example the data for Finland on page 189ff. Understand the concept. Finland actually had an over-mortality in 2020.
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No.
You claimed there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020. I pointed out that the source for this claim did not support it. You told me the figures were 'honestly adjusted' to make this claim true. Looking at figures for Finland is irrelevant.
Please detail how these 'honest adjustments' were made, and support your claim that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
No.
You claimed there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020. I pointed out that the source for this claim did not support it. You told me the figures were 'honestly adjusted' to make this claim true. Looking at figures for Finland is irrelevant.
Please detail how these 'honest adjustments' were made, and support your claim that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
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The relevant numbers for Germany are on page 74 of the PDF. You can see that the highest relative death rate in the last ten years was in 2013, while 2020 was on place 8 of that decade.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
No.
You claimed there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020. I pointed out that the source for this claim did not support it. You told me the figures were 'honestly adjusted' to make this claim true. Looking at figures for Finland is irrelevant.
Please detail how these 'honest adjustments' were made, and support your claim that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
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Childlike Empress said:
The relevant numbers for Germany are on page 74 of the PDF. You can see that the highest relative death rate in the last ten years was in 2013, while 2020 was on place 8 of that decade.
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I note that you are avoiding answering the question. Do you not actually know the answer, or is there another reason for this uncharacteristic coyness?
That page shows the proportion of deaths in each age group. It does not appear to show excess deaths. My German is rusty, and not up to deciphering such language, but translate programmes help. Perhaps you can explain exactly what I'm looking at.
In the meantime, the source for those figures is listed below the graph, as I'm sure you noticed (being all smart and that).

The source also says this:
The coronavirus waves have led to excess mortality in Germany. This has been ascertained by the Federal Statistical Office (Destatis) based on an evaluation of the death statistics in the course of the pandemic. This has also led to excess death figures over the entire period of the pandemic so far. “From March 2020 to mid-November 2021, more people in Germany died than would have been expected considering the demographic development. The increase in death figures cannot be explained by population ageing alone, but it has been considerably affected by the pandemic”, said Christoph Unger, Vice-President of the Federal Statistical Office, on 9 December 2021 at a press conference in Wiesbaden.
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https://www.destatis.de/EN/Press/2021/12/PE21_563_12.html

So, for the third time of asking, please detail how the data from two of the sources used in this pdf was 'honestly adjusted' to make it say the opposite of what it originally said, and please support your claim that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
So, for the third time of asking, please detail how the data from two of the sources used in this pdf was 'honestly adjusted' to make it say the opposite of what it originally said, and please support your claim that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
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The data never showed something else, it was just (intentional or not) the reporting. These are the numbers from the source you've recognized. The slides are bilangual and should be understandable by an Engllsh-language native (which I assume that you are).
 
Childlike Empress said:
The data never showed something else, it was just (intentional or not) the reporting. These are the numbers from the source you've recognized. The slides are bilangual and should be understandable by an Engllsh-language native (which I assume that you are).
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In other words, you can't specify what kind of 'honest adjustment' was used, nor can you explain why the sources used state the opposite to both the claim in the pdf and your own claim, and you have no evidence at all to back up the assertion that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
Claim dismissed due to lack of evidence.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
In other words, you can't specify what kind of 'honest adjustment' was used, nor can you explain why the sources used state the opposite to both the claim in the pdf and your own claim, and you have no evidence at all to back up the assertion that there was no excess mortality in Germany in 2020.
Claim dismissed due to lack of evidence.
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I must admit I misremembered how bilingual it is. You can find the methods explained on the first 18 pages, but only in German. Maybe I'll find a better source for what is called "Gesamtequivalent" in German and come back to you. But in general you can dismiss the age group thing, the relevant thing here is the population growth. You might have heard that millions of people joined us in the last years, invited by Mutti Merkel. So while it is true that more people died absolutely, relativly it isn't true. Check the percentage points on that page 74 at the very bottom.
 
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Please return to the topic, which is conspiracy theories around the pandemic. Stop personalising your posts.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
A return to Immunoglobulin A

Childlike Empress said:
You've relied on a secondary "fact-checking" source while not being anyone familiar with the topic, as you stated in that post. Not good enough for me. Even your secondary source says Bhakdi is "world-renowned" and 40 years in the field teaching that stuff.
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More nonsense. I did link to a fact-checking site, but then I added to it. The site did not mention IgA specifically, but it is not controversial that IgA is found in many body fluids besides blood. It is highly unlikely that Dr. Bhakdi does not know this; therefore, it is likely that he is lying to mislead the uninformed. In addition, I provided citations to the primary and secondary (meaning reviews) literature that indicated the importance of IgA in combating this or others viral infections. Immunology, specifically, is not my field, but biochemistry is.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Again, you accepted the claims of that "fact-checking" site and ran with it. I am not disputing what you say about so-called IgA, I'm disputing that Dr. Bhakdi said, in context, anything close to what your "fact-checking" site says he said.
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Don't care. It is absurd up front. Why should anyone care about such a wild claim?
 
Childlike Empress said:
"fact-checking".
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What's with the scare quotes around fact checking? The fact checking by Reuters that I linked provided citations for the genome sequencing of Sars-Cov-2 published by several journals. Is it a CT-er poisoning the well deal when confronted with facts?
 
abaddon said:
You mean how you stood up for Q, and the Kraken, And the re-instatement of Trump and imaginary basements in pizza parlours?



You would never stand up for any of those, right?
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Yes, please do

Also show how I thought Babylon bee was not satire

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