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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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bruto, let's say there would be a real, self-proclaimed Nazi on this forum (they are pretty rare these days). And he (or her) says he is against the social rights breaches the "Corona" tyranny has brought us all. And I agree with that. Would that make me a Nazi? This "argument" is so incredibly stupid that the only reason you believe in it is daily propaganda by the most sophisticated brainwash machine ever constructed.
 
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Yes, and you are pushing it out here.

Not to disparage this forum at all, but there are better venues to promote your blob.

It's amazing how little content all the "skeptics" produce. It's just all general dissing with so little addressing of the actual argument.

Of course, I can promote my blog among like-minded people and like-minded people read it but there's not much point preaching to the converted.

But I see here that although it's supposed to be a forum for skeptics it's really a forum for those who support the mainstream narrative and refuse to look outside it.

So just a simple question for you, Resume, that I've already asked but received no answer to.

If testing stopped tomorrow, how would covid be diagnosed?

Currently, in fact, it isn't diagnosed, a case is presumed on the result of a positive test but obviously if testing stopped a diagnosis process would need to occur if you wanted to say anyone had covid. How would that happen, if at all? And if you recognise that it couldn't happen are you perfectly OK with that?

As Dr David Rasnick says, dissed for being an AIDS DENIALIST - gasp! shock horror! gasp!
"It's all technology, no biology."
 
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It's amazing how little content all the "skeptics" produce. It's just all general dissing with so little addressing of the actual argument.
Your "arguments" have been adressed; this is part IV of a thread where all manner of nonsense COVID conspiracy has been debunked and reset, then debunked again. How much "content" is necessary* to address then conspiracy that COVID doesn't exist other than millions upon millions of data points and objective reality? You are pushing a silly narrative that conflicts with that reality.

If testing stopped tomorrow, how would covid be diagnosed?

If my aunt had balls . . . There no reason to stop testing; the question is incoherent.


* Although I must add that it is you that is deficient here because you demonstrate no evidence that you have read all three previous chapters of this thread.
 
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The point doesn't exist, otherwise you would spell it out.

That the particular poster in question is fractally wrong and is expressed in a particularly colorfull manner. I have demonstrated that wrongness in other more mundane fashions.
 
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Your "arguments" have been adressed; this is part IV of a thread where all manner of nonsense COVID conspiracy has been debunked and reset, then debunked again. How much "content" is necessary to address then conspiracy that COVID doesn't exist other than millions upon millions of data points and objective reality? You are pushing a silly narrative that conflicts with that reality.

If testing stopped tomorrow, how would covid be diagnosed?

If my aunt had balls . . . There no reason to stop testing; the question is incoherent.

No, the question is most pertinent. There is no reason to stop testing if you want to perpetuate the myth of a pandemic that's for sure. No reason to stop then because if you did, well, shock, horror the fraud would be exposed.

The question serves very well as a hypothetical to expose the fraud because without the test there is no covid, it's so very simple. No test, no covid.

And yet the whole world has been turned upside down on the basis of an illness whose "existence" depends entirely on a test.
 
I asked you to present what exactly is wrong in the OffG article and where it is addressed in the paper. You haven't done that. Can you?

Well, there's this.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/
Overall, we rate OffGuardian a Strong Conspiracy and Strong Pseudoscience website that frequently promotes unproven conspiracy theories and false information regarding the Coronavirus.

Bias Rating: CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

So just your usual crackpot disinformation crapstand. Why would anyone take this seriously?
 
If testing stopped tomorrow, how would covid be diagnosed?

If my aunt had balls . . . There no reason to stop testing; the question is incoherent.

It would seem that autopsies would still be required and the CDC advice on autopsies would indicate if Covid were present. Considering over 900,000 US citizens have died of Covid, that information would cause the introduction of testing living people anyhow. Therefore if testing didn't exist it would quickly be introduced.

Therefore, I think it is a silly question to ask what would happen if testing live people stopped tomorrow.

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"Collection and Submission of Postmortem Specimens from Deceased Persons with Confirmed or Suspected COVID-19"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-postmortem-specimens.html
 
"Crackpot" scientist?

Kary Mullis, Nobel-prize winner, didn't recognise a causal relationship between HIV and AIDS. Are you calling him crackpot before you even look at his rationale for his belief?
My point doesn’t depend on the word “crackpot.” That was just a bit of fun.
 
If one believes the accounts they seem to be willing to wave flags, show banners, harass people, engage in scuffles and violence, and other outspoken protest. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for a person to say "I don't hold with the Nazis" or "those Cpnfederate flags aren't ours." There aren't hundreds of thousands of people there, and even if there were, they don't all have to say anything. Just a few would be more than we have heard yet. One hand lettered sign would go a long way. If any of these people had spines they might even take the chance of their bold comrades being mad at them, but since the manner of such people tends toward violence and death threats, they may not have the substance for that.

For that matter it wouldn't have been at all difficult for Bubba or CE to have said, "That's unfortunate, but they don't speak for me. Just because we share one belief doesn't mean that we share all beliefs". That certainly would have been more reasonable than invoking paranoid fantasies about sinister plots.
 
Well, there's this.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/


So just your usual crackpot disinformation crapstand. Why would anyone take this seriously?

Oh god no that won't work. What I want you to do is specify in the OffG article, this one right here, that had such a poor attempt at debunking done by PolitiFact what they have wrong and where it is addressed in the paper you link to.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

Is this what you guys do all day, just cite what mainstream shills say about those who criticise the mainstream narrative? Please raise your level. Raise the level.
 
"Crackpot" scientist?

Kary Mullis, Nobel-prize winner, didn't recognise a causal relationship between HIV and AIDS. Are you calling him crackpot before you even look at his rationale for his belief?
What was his opinion on the covid pandemic and vaccines? Do you know?
 
No, the question is most pertinent. There is no reason to stop testing if you want to perpetuate the myth of a pandemic that's for sure. No reason to stop then because if you did, well, shock, horror the fraud would be exposed.

The question serves very well as a hypothetical to expose the fraud because without the test there is no covid, it's so very simple. No test, no covid.

And yet the whole world has been turned upside down on the basis of an illness whose "existence" depends entirely on a test.

Nope.

Fact Check-SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced

An interview with a late Canadian writer has resurfaced on social media and shows him making several false claims about COVID-19. Among them, he questions the existence of coronaviruses by saying they have never been isolated. This is not true, and such a claim reveals the writer’s lack of understanding of virology.

A clip from the interview was posted to several Instagram accounts in mid-March (here, here and here), and was taken from a wider 95-minute podcast recorded in May 2020 (here). It shows the interviewee, who died several months later (here, here), claiming scientists who say SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated are lying as “nobody has ever purified a coronavirus”

They took a nasal swab and they processed it somehow; like you have to add antibiotics to kill bacteria and things like that. So you process it and add it to a cell culture. They observed cells dying in the cell culture and they wrote: ‘We have isolated the virus.’ Clearly, it’s not specific. Even if you have identified a virus, you haven’t identified a specific virus. So then they searched around for RNA and they found a long string of RNA which looked like what had previously been called coronavirus. But nobody has ever purified a coronavirus.”

When asked whether this means no one knows if coronaviruses exist, he added: “Yeah, I think what they did; they looked at people with the common cold and they found some RNA patterns and they said: ‘Oh this must be the virus.’ They leaped to these conclusions. With the new world of biotechnology and PCR, this technology that underlines the test, these things are really easy to do but they’re not grounded in anything.”

However, the first argument relating to isolation is not true. There are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2 (here, [URL="https://theconversation.com/i-study-viruses-how-our-team-isolated-the-new-coronavirus-to-fight-the-global-pandemic-133675"]here,[/URL] here, here), the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, where they also sequenced the complete genome (here, here, here). Pictures of isolated SARS-CoV-2 particles have been released by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (here).

Meanwhile, the second argument, that coronaviruses have never been purified, shows a misunderstanding of how viruses work – and does not prove they do not exist. Siouxsie Wiles, an associate professor at the University of Auckland’s Department of Molecular Medicine and Pathology, has previously addressed similar claims, saying they reference outdated microbiological theory (here).

VERDICT
False. There are numerous examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID -19, and sequencing its genome. The argument about purification relates to 19th Century microbiological theory that does not apply to viruses. The novel coronavirus has been proven to exist and has caused millions of deaths worldwide.

The highlighted represents objective reality.
 
bruto, let's say there would be a real, self-proclaimed Nazi on this forum (they are pretty rare these days). And he (or her) says he is against the social rights breaches the "Corona" tyranny has brought us all. And I agree with that. Would that make me a Nazi? This "argument" is so incredibly stupid that the only reason you believe in it is daily propaganda by the most sophisticated brainwash machine ever constructed.
There are plenty of people with odious opinions on this forum. But it is not a public demonstration. We certainly are not all marching together. I think there's a difference. These are a selected group of people demonstrating with some degree of solidarity, and there has been public outcry about the symbols shown, which have, for many, tainted the demonstration and called the character of the demonstrators into question. Even if it were not necessary I think it would be prudent for those who do not share those ideas to say something.
 
Oh god no that won't work. What I want you to do is specify in the OffG article, this one right here, that had such a poor attempt at debunking done by PolitiFact what they have wrong and where it is addressed in the paper you link to.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless

Is this what you guys do all day, just cite what mainstream shills say about those who criticise the mainstream narrative? Please raise your level. Raise the level.

This is what you do all day, just rebleat nonsense from scammers, crackpots, and propagandists. There's nothing on OffGuardian that deserves anyone's time or energy. They have nothing to contribute to science or understanding.

You've shown over and over that you don't understand science, reality, or much of anything else. Don't try to make it my problem.
 
It would seem that autopsies would still be required and the CDC advice on autopsies would indicate if Covid were present. Considering over 900,000 US citizens have died of Covid, that information would cause the introduction of testing living people anyhow. Therefore if testing didn't exist it would quickly be introduced.

Therefore, I think it is a silly question to ask what would happen if testing live people stopped tomorrow.

:)

"Collection and Submission of Postmortem Specimens from Deceased Persons with Confirmed or Suspected COVID-19"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-postmortem-specimens.html

The question is to PROVE that if testing stopped, covid would not be able to be identified and would, effectively, disappear. That would be the reality. Covid not identifiable and thus it would effectively be labelled what it was labelled pre-covid and is still labelled - when we don't get tested - cold, flu, pneumonia, etc.

Autopsies could only be used for people who died of alleged covid, if at all, not just covid cases so we wouldn't be able to tell who living and breathing in the world had covid, we just wouldn't be able to tell.

We've been told a large number of people have died from covid but there is a great deal of evidence that says much assignment of death to covid is fraudulent. I am going to present an article published in OffGuardian. What I request for "skeptics" is to open their minds and read the article and not pre-judge it because of its source. Just read it and if you have any criticism of it you can come back to me.

I think any intelligent person will realise that heretical work doesn't get published in mainstream publications, it doesn't get peer-reviewed. Blogs and video channels are where heresy is published. If you demand peer-review and "reputable" journals then what are you on here for? This is where the argument against the mainstream is put and it is not found where you normally look. You must look further afield. That is the requirement for a true open-minded skeptic.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/05/covid19-death-figures-a-substantial-over-estimate/

Quote from article:

"Prof Walter Ricciardi, advisor to Italy’s health minister, explained this was caused by the “generous” way the Italian government handles death certificates:

The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

Essentially, Italy’s death registration process does not differentiate between those who simply have the virus in their body, and those who are actually killed by it."

I don't believe in covid at all but regardless - if you do - what is clear is that people who died in hospital with co-morbidities are having their deaths assigned to covid when there is no clear evidence it wasn't other illnesses they were suffering from.

This is fraud and we see fraud every which way in this pandemic. What astounds me is that when you see SOME fraud you have to wonder about OTHER fraud and people don't do that. They wave away SOME fraud and aren't prompted to wonder if there's other fraud.
 
This is what you do all day, just rebleat nonsense from scammers, crackpots, and propagandists. There's nothing on OffGuardian that deserves anyone's time or energy. They have nothing to contribute to science or understanding.

You've shown over and over that you don't understand science, reality, or much of anything else. Don't try to make it my problem.

I asked you a simple question that you haven't answered. You pushed a link at me that was supposed to respond to an article I posted. I asked you to specify what in the article the paper addressed and you haven't done that.

It is you who have zero credibility.

This is a summary of the article I link to. See if you can debunk any of it - peer-reviewed papers - or any source at all - any at all debunking it welcome.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/

— No distinctive specific symptoms for COVID-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/symptoms.html

— Admitted lack of gold standard test for COVID-19 by infectious diseases expert, Sanjaya Senanayake
https://vimeo.com/417500646

— PCR test used inappropriate for viral testing (its purpose was manufacturing not testing). Clear example: Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html

— No clear evidence of origin of RNA used in test

— Authors of scientific papers claiming isolation of virus admit that purification of virus not actually done and seasoned virologist admits lack of awareness of any paper showing purification of virus

— No evidence of what is said to be the virus, SARS-CoV-2 causing COVID-19

— Test results are irrational which would only be expected when the testing method used is against scientific testing protocol

— The test contains “q” in its name, RT-qPCR, which should stand for quantitative, however, it is admitted the test is qualitative meaning it cannot test viral load which means they cannot test how many viral particles are carried in the body. For people to be considered infected a viral load needs to be determined.

— High Cycle Quantification (Cq) values undermine validity of test and some PCR tests have high Cq values (Drosten test has 45). The inventor of the test, Kary Mullis, has this to say: “If you have to go more than 40 cycles to amplify a single-copy gene, there is something seriously wrong with your PCR.”

— Before starting with PCR, in the case of presumed RNA viruses such as SARS-CoV-2, the RNA must be converted to complementary DNA (cDNA) with the enzyme Reverse Transcriptase—hence the “RT” at the beginning of “PCR” or “qPCR,” but this transformation process is “widely recognized as inefficient and variable,”

The above issues clearly show that there is no evidence at all to believe in either the virus, SARS-CoV-2 or the alleged illness COVID-19. The clear inference to be made is that all illness and death ascribed to COVID-19 has, in reality, another cause.
 
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This is what you do all day, just rebleat nonsense from scammers, crackpots, and propagandists. There's nothing on OffGuardian that deserves anyone's time or energy. They have nothing to contribute to science or understanding.

You've shown over and over that you don't understand science, reality, or much of anything else. Don't try to make it my problem.

Her "mainstream shills" are experts in their fields with years of experience who provide evidence for their hypotheses. Like, I don't know, the complete genome sequence for SARS-CoV-2.
 
You do recognise that not all experts support the mainstream narrative, don't you, but you seem to act as if there are no naysayers among the experts. I wouldn't dare to look at scientific papers I know nothing about and simply apply my own mind but when experts lay out their criticism clearly I think we, as laypeople, can follow along and see where their criticism deserves merit.

Indeed, experts can disagree a lot! I see it in my realm (computers): vi vs. emacs flame wars are legendary. But what you don't see is one camp stating outright that either vi or emacs simply don't exist. That's what you're doing here: quoting a small number of rather dubious sources that question the mainstream. Again, in areas where I don't have expert level knowledge, I'll go with the mainstream.

So, my question is, where did you earn your M.Sc or or Ph.D. in immunology, and when? If you don't have one, why do you think you're qualified to question the knowledge, expertise, and conclusions of the vast majority of people with this knowledge?

Then there are things we can easily see that are wrong ourselves. Currently, a friend is staying with me for a week longer than planned because her PCR test returned a positive result and she's not allowed to board her flight until it's negative - she also had to wait 7 days to have the second test. She is perfectly well, showing no symptoms. She was suffering cold symptoms before and while she was suffering those symptoms underwent two Rapid Antigen Tests which both returned negatives. Interesting, no? While sick she returned negatives and while well she returns a positive.

Her being held hostage for a week while perfectly well is lunacy of the highest order but only one such example. If you can't see anything wrong ... well I simply don't know what to say.

The PCR tests are more accurate than the rapid antigen tests. This is why your friend is considered positive for COVID and is not allowed to spend a significant amount of time in an enclosed space with dozens of other people, who are at risk of catching COVID from your friend until she is declared non-contagious.

Those protocols were established while the more dangerous Alpha and Delta variants were prominent. With the less virulent Omicron variant now common, those protocols should be re-addressed.

A question for you: do you understand regular expressions? Do you even know what they are?

If you read the Wikipedia article, do you agree they exist? I for sure know they do, since I use them daily in my computer work.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should reject it. But until you develop a thorough understanding of something, it's best to rely on the experts who do instead of going all conspiracy theory on them.

For example, I don't understand quantum mechanics and have barely a beginner's understanding of special and general relativity. But I don't reject them, because there are people in this world who do understand them. And they've been able to make use of those concepts in the real world. Results from the study of quantum mechanics are used by your computer, LEDs, and fibre optic cables. Relativity is needed to keep the clocks that make GPS work accurate.

I find it unsettling that you're willing to reject experts in fields you don't understand. It would be like rejecting an electrician's advice on wiring a three phase motor if you don't understand 600 volt three phase circuits.

Would you care to address the other comments in my post?

An extra example to add to the ones of regular expressions, quantum mechanics. relativity, and journeyman electricians above: if you told the pilot of an A340 he (or she) was doing something wrong in preparation for takeoff, while at the same time being unable to show you're licensed even to fly a single engine Cessna, why should the A340 pilot even give you the time of day?

Now, if you're an expert in early English and you and your A340 pilot friend get into an argument over whether or not Beowulf is written in French, who is more likely to have the "mainstream" opinion?
 
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