Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Bubba]

Not sure how reliable...


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

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[Bubba]

Instead of a simple "true, we don't know for sure".....

The answer to your first question is, we don't know without a survey.



The answer to your second question is, yes, obviously, as there were people displaying flags associated with racist movements.



I'll tell you one thing, if I was in a protest march and there were people flying ******* swastikas and Confederate flags, I sure as **** wouldn't be standing beside those ********.





Were any of them Anunnaki reptilian human hybrids? Were any of them time traveling Illuminati agents trying to promote the spread of COVID-19 for the population control measures of their masters?





To convey that message, one generally has to display something like "[government policy I don't like] = Nazism". To fly the flags themselves, someone either has to be a racist moron, or just a moron too damned stupid to see that he's making himself look like a racist moron.





Sure, because anything you need to be true to preserve your delusional fantasies is absolutely true, even with no evidence. Just like your map alignments that don't exist.





Yeah, it's so unfair when reality contradicts your beliefs.

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[MBDK]

I looked at the paper but I don't understand it.

Apparently, neither does OffG. THAT is the point.

Can you specifically address what OffG falsely claims and say exactly where it is addressed in the paper.

Their claim that, the PCR testing is inaccurate, is contradicted by the entire process spelled out in the paper.

What I don't understand is if OffG has got it wrong why haven't debunkers pointed out what they've got wrong?

They did. OffG's reply (their debunk of the debunk) is an indication they are either unwilling or unable to understand the original debunk. At that point, scientists recognize it is the previously mentioned exercise of futility to keep responding to theses ignorant trolls.

I'm not a scientist so I simply rely on the debunking trail and where it ends.

That is a major problem. When someone quits arguing with another who's replies show no inherent purpose other than to be contradictory (i.e., repeating previously addressed topics), it is equivalent to a child answering back, "Naw-naw, ad nauseum). Walking away from such a conversation does not make the last responder right in any way. It is the actual evidence. OffG's is lacking in scientific analysis, and uses false and cherry-picked responses. The paper provided provides real science which OffG is unable to dispute.

There are fact-checkers galore out there and this article completely refutes the science put forward for a pandemic.

Fact-checkers are not necessarily competent, or, if so, still have no obligation to engage in childish discourse.

Surely to goodness someone should be debunking this article if what it said was false ... well PolitiFact did and their debunking was lame in the extreme.

The vast amount of misinformation has been debunked in general. This specific topic has been, too. To think your source that has also been debunked, and claims otherwise (guess what, they ALL do, and the repeated person-to-rock conversations end up fruitless) is unique, or correct, is ignorance on your part. You claim the PolitiFact debunk is lame. You tell ME what is lame about it.

 

[junkshop]

Well, I've just evidenced to you that people are using it that way...

No, you told me they are. Well, you told Steve that they are. Either way nothing was 'evidenced'.

...And it isn't wrong...

Dictionaries disagree: links snipped

My post was evidence that people use it that way. There is no "they", there is me. Your dictionaries show the use in your cultural context and I already conceded this point. I wasn't "wrong", but I was in the wrong cultural context to use it that way...

Your post is evidence that you use 'verbatim' that way. Nothing more. You are not 'people', you are a person, as you have just emphasised.

You are posting on an english language website. You have not demonstrated that 'verbatim' has a different meaning in any other context, cultural or otherwise. Unless and until you do, your usage was wrong.

...What word you think "Steve" didn't understand?...

I'm confident that Steve understood all the words you used, if not your idiosyncratic use of them. But I can't be sure, so that is a question you would be better off asking them (also, what's with the scare-quotes around Steve?).

...Actually, spare me the answer...

Oops! Sorry, too late.

...I would be more interested in your answer to the claim that the two thugs stuffed something into their pockets (yes it was only one of them with one pocket). But I actually think we've settled that already.

Um...OK, I guess?

 

[junkshop]

Huh? Sorry, that one went right over my head.

It's a famous painting by Rene Magritte which actually in spirit says "the map is not the territory" (that's why it came to my mind) because it shows a pipe, while it actually isn't a pipe. In this case it's a sorry digital picture of a painting hosted by wikipedia, not a pipe. The words say "This is not a pipe" in French.

I'm well aware of Magritte's La Trahison des Images. What I don't understand is how that image works as a response to my post's less-than-subtle House of Cards reference.

 

[bruto]

Why don't you reply to my detailed answers at #2574/2575 instead of adding BS to the internet?

If you want to be presumed the target of the comment, that's fine. That is my reply. Speaking specifically of Canada here. Of course it's remotely possible that some shills appeared at a protest, but given the nature of the protest, which is by anti-vax truckers, it's far less likely than it might be possible. It does appear that many of those people were not truckers themselves, but they also were not, as far as I can see, disavowed by the truckers who were there. It's painfully easy simply to dismiss everything you don't like by saying it might be something else. Ex-president does it constantly, claiming that everything his people get caught at is an enemy false flag. It's ******** there, and I believe it's ******** here too. It would be extremely easy for the demonstrators to publicly distance themselves from those hateful symbols. I have seen no evidence that they did. In fact, it appears that the politicians observing the whole affair also did not, to their shame.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Instead of a simple "true, we don't know for sure".....

Bubba, this is one of your most pathetic arguments yet. You're so incapable of admitting that you are wrong about anything (and yet you've been wrong so many times) that you've now painted yourself into the corner of defending people who are openly displaying racist symbols.

Gee Bubba, maybe there is no racism. Maybe they're all mainstream media paid actors pretending that they're racists in order to make it look like racism still exists so that the evil mainstream media can sell advertising and make anti-vaxers look like a bunch of reactionary ********. We don't know for sure, do we?

Even if the ones openly displaying swastikas and Confederate flags are Illuminati agents, the rest of them don't seem to give a ****, do they? I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that some of your anti-vax heroes are racists. I'm also sorry that you can't handle the facts that Trump lost the election, QAnon is made-up ******** aimed at people who can't think, and that there are no alignments of place names on any map projection you choose.

 

[Hans]

Even if the ones openly displaying swastikas and Confederate flags are Illuminati agents, the rest of them don't seem to give a ****, do they? I'm sorry you can't handle the fact that some of your anti-vax heroes are racists. I'm also sorry that you can't handle the facts that Trump lost the election, QAnon is made-up ******** aimed at people who can't think, and that there are no alignments of place names on any map projection you choose.

oh NO, an out break of bubba ispired fractal wrongness.

Space time is in danger

 

[Childlike Empress]

It would be extremely easy for the demonstrators to publicly distance themselves from those hateful symbols. I have seen no evidence that they did. In fact, it appears that the politicians observing the whole affair also did not, to their shame.

Actually, it wouldn't. It's impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to distance themselves from some (real or fake) Nazis. Because nobody is asking them, and they have nothing to do with them. How many of them have distanced themself? You know not a single one.

This nonsense only works in the propaganda media you consume. Again, go there and meet the people who demonstrate. You will find the middle of society, preselected by that they have a bit of a spine.

 

[eerok]

Discrediting a movement is about as easy as childʻs play.

Some movements even discredit themselves.

 

[Childlike Empress]

oh NO, an out break of bubba ispired fractal wrongness.

Ultra-weak. You shouldn't crap on the beauty of a Mandelbrot set to make a non-existant point.

 

[Resume]

You will find the middle of society, preselected by that they have a bit of a spine.been gulled by the media they consume.

Fixed.

 

[Petra]

Fine. Let's do that.
Present your evidence that the science is fraudulent.

I just did present it but it got sidetracked. I think it's best to go through the fraudulence step by step.

1. UNSCIENTIFIC: SUSPICION OF NEW VIRUS
Suspicion of a "novel" virus is based on an alleged "cluster" of 44 cases of pneumonia of "unknown origin" in the highly-polluted city of Wuhan.
44 cases doesn't make a cluster and pneumonia has many causes - "unknown origin" makes no sense.
Then, if indeed these 44 cases of pneumonia were caused by a novel virus why is the association between pneumonia and the novel virus now completely lost?
https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2020-DON229

Please argue against how the suspicion of a new virus has no foundation.

 

[Petra]

I bolded a keyword you're misapplying.

Case in point, your anecdote about your friend who tested positive with a PCR and negative with lateral flow tests/rapid tests. There's been reporting that rapid tests detect the Omicron variant less well than PCR tests. This has been reported at the same time as self-isolation has been cut in most countries in the world from 10 days to 7 or even 5 days.

My friend shows no symptoms.
My friend is effectively under house arrest for 7 days.
My friend had to pay $150 for the first PCR test and $150 for the test she did this morning, 7 days later.

I call this absurdity but if you don't think it's absurd then so be it.

The keyword 'narrative' isn't really applicable to scientific evidence, until it is turned into a historical narrative, i.e reporting, chronicling and noting changes over time.

This pandemic is not just about "scientific evidence", there is masses of propaganda pushed out 24/7. It's even admitted by 'ol Jassy, NZ PM.
https://odysee.com/@scamdemic:7d/jacindaadern:7 (31 seconds)

I stick to pandemic narrative, it's certainly not just about science.

Kary Mullis, inventor of the PCR technique fraudulently being used to test for infection by a virus, said:
"The scientist aims to prove their hypothesis wrong."

That's what I do.

I have put my case for this pandemic being a fraud from a number of different angles. Will you look at it or not? I'm rather tired of arguing on this thread with everyone so unwilling to actually look at information presented. I've spent quite a bit of time on my page and I think it's all laid out quite clearly. Please have a look, just a little look, and at the first sign of something you don't like come back to me.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

 

[bruto]

Actually, it wouldn't. It's impossible for hundreds of thousands of people to distance themselves from some (real or fake) Nazis. Because nobody is asking them, and they have nothing to do with them. How many of them have distanced themself? You know not a single one.

This nonsense only works in the propaganda media you consume. Again, go there and meet the people who demonstrate. You will find the middle of society, preselected by that they have a bit of a spine.

If one believes the accounts they seem to be willing to wave flags, show banners, harass people, engage in scuffles and violence, and other outspoken protest. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for a person to say "I don't hold with the Nazis" or "those Cpnfederate flags aren't ours." There aren't hundreds of thousands of people there, and even if there were, they don't all have to say anything. Just a few would be more than we have heard yet. One hand lettered sign would go a long way. If any of these people had spines they might even take the chance of their bold comrades being mad at them, but since the manner of such people tends toward violence and death threats, they may not have the substance for that.

 

[Petra]

The problem with this is that there are very few, if any, scientific conclusions that rely on more than a lay person's knowledge that don't have some crackpot scientist somewhere in the world who can show why it's wrong.

The criterion you have offered - reject a scientific conclusion, even if it is widely accepted - if there are some scientists who claim it is wrong and can specify why - is unworkable for subjects requiring technical or expert knowledge to adjudicate. Especially since you aren't in a position to decide if the challenge to a widely held scientific conclusion is valid or not, even if it sounds like it at first glance.

"Crackpot" scientist?

Kary Mullis, Nobel-prize winner, didn't recognise a causal relationship between HIV and AIDS. Are you calling him crackpot before you even look at his rationale for his belief?

 

[Resume]

This pandemic is not just about "scientific evidence", there is masses of propaganda pushed out 24/7 . . .

Yes, and you are pushing it out here.

I stick to pandemic narrative, it's certainly not just about science.

Not in your case certainly.

I've spent quite a bit of time on my page and I think it's all laid out quite clearly. Please have a look, just a little look, and at the first sign of something you don't like come back to me.

Not to disparage this forum at all, but there are better venues to promote your blob.

 

[Childlike Empress]

If one believes the accounts they seem to be willing to wave flags, show banners, harass people, engage in scuffles and violence, and other outspoken protest. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for a person to say "I don't hold with the Nazis" or "those Cpnfederate flags aren't ours." There aren't hundreds of thousands of people there, and even if there were, they don't all have to say anything. Just a few would be more than we have heard yet. One hand lettered sign would go a long way. If any of these people had spines they might even take the chance of their bold comrades being mad at them, but since the manner of such people tends toward violence and death threats, they may not have the substance for that.

"One" shouldn't believe those accounts. As I told you (plural) before, you are in a propaganda matrix because of the junk you consume. It really is that bad.

What if "one" of them distanced him/herself from those "Nazis" you are told about? Who would report it, who would hear about it? That's right: nobody.

In the German street protests there is the funny sign (it already vanished because it became old) where Antifa counter-protesters (very young people, very indoctrinated) shouted "Nazis raus" slogans and the protesters (real people, middle of the road ) (outnumbering them 1 to 100) shouted back "Nazis raus").

Nazis raus means Nazis out.

 

[Resume]

Ultra-weak. You shouldn't crap on the beauty of a Mandelbrot set to make a non-existant point.

The point exists, you just don't recognize it.

 

[Petra]

Apparently, neither does OffG. THAT is the point.

I asked you to present what exactly is wrong in the OffG article and where it is addressed in the paper. You haven't done that. Can you?