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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

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Vixen said:
Because it is not mentioned at all in the JAIC Report.

With an authoritarian captain as Andresson was said to be, it would not surprise me if the engineers would attempt to rectify a 'situation' without first asking permission as they were supposed to (Russian style leadership). This is the problem with authoritarian regimes, either a 'not my job; mentality arises because they are not allowed to use their own initiative or staff are too afraid to ask permission because of the stern attitude. The Sandhurst Army Leadership model allows your team to take initiative when appropriate.
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You do talk a lot of old ****.

So when Sillaste said he was down there in the swimming pool/passenger toilets fixing it at 0100 and then made his way to the Engine Control Room, I did wonder why he would do that unless there was an issue. In the Linde interview, Linde was asked several times whether he saw Sillaste 'at the bow ramp', which seems to indicate someone reported seeing him there.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Why would they use dynamite? Are you sure the builders did it and not a company specialising in explosives?

How do you dig a well with dynamite?
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Dynamite is used in Finland a lot because there is a lot of granite. Fertile ground is reserved for crops, so the land for new buildings is very scarce and controlled and tend to be in the places where there is some rocky ground and/or forest, especially in the popular islands, where people like to have their summer cottages.
 
Vixen said:
Dynamite is used in Finland a lot because there is a lot of granite. Fertile ground is reserved for crops, so the land for new buildings is very scarce and controlled and tend to be in the places where there is some rocky ground and/or forest, especially in the popular islands, where people like to have their summer cottages.
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Why would they blow up the granite with dynamite?
 
Myriad said:
"Bad news, folks. The land where you want us to build your house has granite underlying it."

"Granite? Oh, no!"

"That's right. Strong secure bedrock. The last thing you want underneath your building. But don't worry! We've got some dynamite that we keep inside bottles of flammable gas; that'll get rid of the granite with no trouble."

"Oh, thank goodness you're master builders!"
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Practically writes itself, doesn't it? :D
 
JayUtah said:
Sweden most certainly did not admit to committing enforced disappearance as defined in the Rome Statute. They admitted to denying due process to two deportees.
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It admitted to allowing the men to be literally snatched off the street, one in the middle of a phone call to his lawyer, and marched to a waiting plane requisitioned by apparently the same US cargo company that was at Arland at the time of the Estonia accident years earlier and for which the US embassy paid for. They were removed without any hearing, appeal, contact with loved ones or their own lawyers, at the request of the CIA in Cairo.

People who keep claiming it was 'just a deportation' are evading the truth of the matter.
 
Vixen said:
It admitted to allowing the men to be literally snatched off the street, one in the middle of a phone call to his lawyer, and marched to a waiting plane requisitioned by apparently the same US cargo company that was at Arland at the time of the Estonia accident years earlier and for which the US embassy paid for. They were removed without any hearing, appeal, contact with loved ones or their own lawyers, at the request of the CIA in Cairo.

People who keep claiming it was 'just a deportation' are evading the truth of the matter.
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Which is still not enforced disappearance no matter how big a tantrum you throw.

Why should anyone listen to you when you'v shown yourself to be utterly immune to facts when they go against what you want the world to be? You're a Walt. Nothing more.

Still, at least you know the Argument from Authority right? Well, you know the words...
 
Vixen said:
It admitted to allowing the men to be literally snatched off the street, one in the middle of a phone call to his lawyer, and marched to a waiting plane requisitioned by apparently the same US cargo company that was at Arland at the time of the Estonia accident years earlier and for which the US embassy paid for. They were removed without any hearing, appeal, contact with loved ones or their own lawyers, at the request of the CIA in Cairo.

People who keep claiming it was 'just a deportation' are evading the truth of the matter.
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You are not even really trying, are you? Ok, quote someone claiming this.
 
Vixen said:
It is commonly easily available, even in the UK ('FIXOR'). You were the one who said that your pyrotechnics were registered with the coast guard, as underwater explosions. When you said it was a graduation party I presumed you meant Vappu. <snip>
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I have personally witnessed this system working. Many moons ago I attended a larper gathering which had a duel of wizards. It was a semi-illegal fireworks display by couple of university students stydying pyrotechnics. The epic finale was a series of small underwater explosions which raised a wall of water about 100 m long and 10 m high. Coast guard helo arrived within 30 mins to investigate. Luckily the show was over by then.
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Your reference to my post is patently false.
-It was a LARPers gathering, not a graduation
-It wasn't my display but a fireworks show by two university students studying pryotechnics. I was merely a spectator
-The organizers had permission for fireworks, not underwater explosions thus the show was semi-illegal
-The Grand Finale was series of UNDERWATER EXPLOSIONS what raised a wall of water 10 meters tall and 100 meters long. Those UNDERWATER EXPLOSIONS were heard by naval listening post(s) who sent the helo to investigate.

Are your research skills this bad or did you slip in some convenient lies?
 
Vixen said:
It admitted to allowing the men to be literally snatched off the street, one in the middle of a phone call to his lawyer, and marched to a waiting plane requisitioned by apparently the same US cargo company that was at Arland at the time of the Estonia accident years earlier and for which the US embassy paid for. They were removed without any hearing, appeal, contact with loved ones or their own lawyers, at the request of the CIA in Cairo.

People who keep claiming it was 'just a deportation' are evading the truth of the matter.
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People who are equating what happened with the crime of enforced disappearance are evading the truth of the matter.

Sweden deported the men without due process. They were convicted of this and admitted to it. However, the elements of the crime of enforced disappearance are specific and entirely different. The Egyptians' lawyers were notified within 48 hours of their whereabouts and how to contact them. The international standard for enforced disappearance is 7 days.

You claimed Sweden committed the crime of enforced disappearance, that a court convicted them of that offense, and now lately -- despite your effort to retract the claim -- that Sweden admitted to it. None of that is true.
 
Vixen said:
Not sure what you mean?
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You tried to delete the post in which you claim Sweden admitted to the crime of enforced disappearance as defined in the Rome Statute. But I had already responded to it. So now you're on the hook to sustain or explicitly withdraw it. The option of saving face is now closed.
 
Jukkelus said:
Your reference to my post is patently false.
-It was a LARPers gathering, not a graduation
-It wasn't my display but a fireworks show by two university students studying pryotechnics. I was merely a spectator
-The organizers had permission for fireworks, not underwater explosions thus the show was semi-illegal
-The Grand Finale was series of UNDERWATER EXPLOSIONS what raised a wall of water 10 meters tall and 100 meters long. Those UNDERWATER EXPLOSIONS were heard by naval listening post(s) who sent the helo to investigate.

Are your research skills this bad or did you slip in some convenient lies?
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The car deck on the Estonia is at least two metres above sea level and 5 metres high. So if there was an IED used it would not set off underwater sensors.
 
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