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Merged Bitcoin - Part 3

SuburbanTurkey said:
What happens if the developer ceases supporting the game?
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I have absolutely no idea what happens, but given their partnerships and support, I am not that concerned. If it all disappeared I'd be out about $150. Which would be a bummer, but such is life. I'll burn that bridge should I ever come to it.

SuburbanTurkey said:
Does the crypto token nature of your video game asset provide you any meaningful "ownership" beyond just having an ordinary video game account?
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I honestly have no idea what this means. It's word salad to me. Can you try rephrasing it? The horse NFTs I have are mine. If the entire entity of Zed Run ceased to exist tomorrow I would assume it would be a lot like when NBA 2k12 took their servers offline 2 years after I bought the game. I had invested a lot of time and some money into it. It was a bummer they went offline, I moved on. Such is life.
 
To clarify.

"I own this things and have a digital file that proves I own it" and "I own this digital thing which proves I own this digital thing" seems to be the difference.

I buy a digital book/movie/game/Big Tiddie Goth Porn... err I mean... Church Video and it's protected by DRM of some sort. That's been a thing for a while, again with a bajillion and one variations. That can't be what an NFT is.

The DRM is not the purpose of the purchase, the media is. The DRM is just there to stop me from making copies and giving them away for free.

You seem to defending DRM (as a concept not anyone specific version/implementation of it) whenever anyone criticizes a NFT.

And this is 100% honest not snark, not a strawman, not anything else.

This is how your argument reads to me.

ETA: To clarify a little further DRM and other related concepts like subscriptions services, being "always online" and the like.
 
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plague311 said:
I honestly have no idea what this means. It's word salad to me. Can you try rephrasing it? The horse NFTs I have are mine. If the entire entity of Zed Run ceased to exist tomorrow I would assume it would be a lot like when NBA 2k12 took their servers offline 2 years after I bought the game. I had invested a lot of time and some money into it. It was a bummer they went offline, I moved on. Such is life.
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I still don't understand what element, besides needless complexity, that the crypto element adds to this.

If this game had been made identically, but instead of NFT horses just used ordinary, in-game horse assets with an included non-crypto based marketplace element, would that be meaningfully different? It's entirely possible to design a game where players can buy and sell in-game assets using non-crypto technology.

That's what I mean about the superfluous nature of NFTs. What exactly is this adding, besides a needless waste through Ethereum's proof of work system?
 
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plague311 said:
This is wrong, and shows your complete and total ignorance of how NFTs and Crypto works. I'm not going to piss into the wind, which is what debating you on this topic is the equivalence of, but I just want you to know that this is a ******** statement.
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Yea it is like buying magic items in a hypothetical MMO that no one will ever play.
 
plague311 said:
Other than, of course, the NFTs that come with the physical artwork as well.
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So what do they add, what if you buy the artwork but the orrigional purchaser keeps the NFT what does whom own?
Then again, it doesn't really matter because they aren't designed to physically exist.

Do you yell at people that play MMOs like this too?
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But people in MMO's are not claiming to be the future of finance or be anything more than just a game.
 
plague311 said:
I mean, no **** lol That's exactly my point. That's why these repeated claims of "NFTs are x" are so ludicrous. NFTs aren't one thing. If coming here and blasting art NFTs gives you some sense of accomplishment, then have at it. I just like to pop in and correct the record so that, should someone new come read this, they don't just read complete bull **** all of the time.
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Yes they are they are non fungible tokens and why are they more useful than virtual assets in a PC game that can be spawned endlessly? How much should someone pay for Skyrim gold?
 
plague311 said:
I have absolutely no idea what happens, but given their partnerships and support, I am not that concerned. If it all disappeared I'd be out about $150. Which would be a bummer, but such is life. I'll burn that bridge should I ever come to it.



I honestly have no idea what this means. It's word salad to me. Can you try rephrasing it? The horse NFTs I have are mine. If the entire entity of Zed Run ceased to exist tomorrow I would assume it would be a lot like when NBA 2k12 took their servers offline 2 years after I bought the game. I had invested a lot of time and some money into it. It was a bummer they went offline, I moved on. Such is life.
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But why does the NFTness of them add anything to having it all centrally located and stored like they do in WOW?
 
I think the reason why gaming companies want NFTs is that it's a way monetize secondary market.
Most game these days don't allow any player to player trade. Object are not transferable. You can always sell the whole account, but some companies are even after that, IRL.
You can allow players to exchange objects in the game .. and they will trade them using real money .. but the company gets nothing out of it.
NFTs can be constructed in a way that the original creator get percentage of every subsequent resale of the item. That's what they were waiting all the time.

Of course there are also the 'traditional NFTs' .. like selling authorized artworks, limited series of sountrack .. which work basically the same as "art" NFTs. But that's not what NFTs in games are about IMHO.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I think the reason why gaming companies want NFTs is that it's a way monetize secondary market.
Most game these days don't allow any player to player trade. Object are not transferable. You can always sell the whole account, but some companies are even after that, IRL.
You can allow players to exchange objects in the game .. and they will trade them using real money .. but the company gets nothing out of it.
NFTs can be constructed in a way that the original creator get percentage of every subsequent resale of the item. That's what they were waiting all the time.

Of course there are also the 'traditional NFTs' .. like selling authorized artworks, limited series of sountrack .. which work basically the same as "art" NFTs. But that's not what NFTs in games are about IMHO.
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This is all true, but this is the result of a policy decision by the game makers, not any technological impediment. These games could easily implement a cash market for in-game assets using non-crypto markets if they wanted to.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
This is all true, but this is the result of a policy decision by the game makers, not any technological impediment. These games could easily implement a cash market for in-game assets using non-crypto markets if they wanted to.
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And it is likely motivated by dodging bringing financial regulation into the game, so we are back to money laundering the true reason crypto exists.
 
ponderingturtle said:
. . . . so we are back to money laundering the true reason crypto exists.
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. . . . so we are back to only evil people favour cryptos.

Do you believe that the government should be able to monitor everything you do online (how about in real time)? What about every purchase you make?
 
psionl0 said:
. . . . so we are back to only evil people favour cryptos.
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Since there are no legitimate uses for cryptocurrency that can't be facilitated via a credit card or other electronic funds transfers, and cryptocurrencies are magnets for fraud and are terribly destructive to the environment, the answer must be yes.

Do you believe that the government should be able to monitor everything you do online (how about in real time)? What about every purchase you make?
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You mean should you be allowed to evade your taxes? I think the answer to that is no.
 
psionl0 said:
. . . . so we are back to only evil people favour cryptos.
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Yes. Unless you're paying for childporn or hitmen or black tar heroin on the dark web you don't need secret underground money to do it.

Do you believe that the government should be able to monitor everything you do online (how about in real time)? What about every purchase you make?
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Yes you should have to pay taxes.
 
Oddly enough, cash still remains the most anonymous way to pay for your black tar heroin. The public ledger of Bitcoin is pretty much the exact opposite of anonymous.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Oddly enough, cash still remains the most anonymous way to pay for your black tar heroin. The public ledger of Bitcoin is pretty much the exact opposite of anonymous.
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Can you call not having your heroin delivered living though? I mean a world where you have to get dressed and go out to get your heroin... I mean the living would envy the dead.
 
jeremyp said:
Since there are no legitimate uses for cryptocurrency that can't be facilitated via a credit card or other electronic funds transfers, . . .
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Really? How easy or cheap is it to transfer say $10,000 to a relative in a different continent?

jeremyp said:
You mean should you be allowed to evade your taxes?
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No, I mean the question that I actually asked. Of course, you wouldn't dare answer in the affirmative so you answered a strawman instead.

BTW you have just made an argument for outlawing all forms of cash.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yes. Unless you're paying for childporn or hitmen or black tar heroin on the dark web you don't need secret underground money to do it.
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I, of course, do none of these things. It's also not secret. There's a bank transaction when I pull money into Coinbase, and then transaction history when I transfer it over to WETH and use it to run my horses.

So, this is complete and total ******** and actually pretty ******* insulting if you ask me. What a rude ass thing to say.
 
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