Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Tippit]

If the polio vaccine gets scare quotes, and the mRNA Covid 19 vaccines get scare quotes, I have to wonder - are there any real vaccines out there, or just "vaccines?"

There are. I leave it to you to find them. Unfortunately given the complete lack of credibility of the manufacturers and the fact that they are trying to kill us, I will not be taking them under any circumstances.

 

[Resume]

If the polio vaccine gets scare quotes, and the mRNA Covid 19 vaccines get scare quotes, I have to wonder - are there any real vaccines out there, or just "vaccines?"

This is one of the times where you have to remind yourself this is a CT subforum, and the CT-ers will obfuscate and prevaricate, reset, rinse and repeat.

 

[Resume]

Unfortunately given the complete lack of credibility

Irony meter go boom.

 

[Tippit]

Here's a study of excess deaths within 7 days of vaccination from VAERs data as well some data from Taiwan.

Does COVID-19 vaccination cause excess deaths?
https://journals.lww.com/jcma/Fullt...ID_19_vaccination_cause_excess_deaths_.2.aspx

Any thoughts on the Rose-Crawford report on VAERS?

 

[Paul2]

Here's a study of excess deaths within 7 days of vaccination from VAERs data as well some data from Taiwan.

Does COVID-19 vaccination cause excess deaths?
https://journals.lww.com/jcma/Fullt...ID_19_vaccination_cause_excess_deaths_.2.aspx

You mistake the context of my post. I wasn't arguing for or against any level of Covid vaccine side effects; I was merely laying bare the logic that had been presented.

 

[marting]

You mistake the context of my post. I wasn't arguing for or against any level of Covid vaccine side effects; I was merely laying bare the logic that had been presented.

And I was just posting a study that expanded on the VAERs vaccine death reports and compares it to the expected deaths in 7 days. It shows the VAERs data is far below (1/10) the expected deaths that would occur naturally 7 days after vaccination. This isn't surprising for multiple reasons, but it shows that VAERs data doesn't, itself, show excess deaths.

 

[Pixel42]

There's no doubt that the polio vaccines have saved many, many more lives than they have cost. I remember being surprised when I read the Guardian article that live vaccines were still being used at all, but I can see the attraction of oral v injection in certain environments. It's a risk/benefit assessment that I'm glad it's not my job to make. Trying to use this unfortunate incident to cast doubt on the value of the polio vaccines, let alone entirely different vaccines that do not use live virus, is disgraceful. Claiming it as evidence that "they" are trying to kill us is insane.

 

[carlitos]

You are talking about a self-described "NWO conspiracy theorist" so the insane part is pretty much a feature and not a bug.

 

[angrysoba]

And I was just posting a study that expanded on the VAERs vaccine death reports and compares it to the expected deaths in 7 days. It shows the VAERs data is far below (1/10) the expected deaths that would occur naturally 7 days after vaccination. This isn't surprising for multiple reasons, but it shows that VAERs data doesn't, itself, show excess deaths.

That’s because they all died eight days after the vaccine when Bill Gates presses the switch! That study was obviously funded by Bill Gates! Wake up sheeeeplea! Open your eyes! Down with polio vaccines that cause all the polio and down with medicine in general except the One True Medicine, ivermectin, which cures everything and won a Nobble Prize and was then suppressed by Big Pharma! If only NPCs would wake up and smell the coffee! But my supplements! Buy BitCoin!

 

[varwoche]

I know that hypercarbia is real from an ICU nurse...

There lies one of your many problems.

... which is why actual respirators that prevent viral infection cannot be worn for more than a few hours at a time (N95, N100, KN95, et al.)

Seeing as you assign great weight to anecdotes from unqualified sources... I've worn KN95 for extended periods without issue.

But even in the unlikely event hypercarbia is a legit health concern, that doesn't prevent people from wearing a mask while shopping, etc.

 

[Steve]

I think you are cherry picking an isolated problem that has zero relevance to COVID vaccines, and attempts to cast doubt on vaccines that are safe and effective and help eradicate deadly disease. As far as worthless posts, at least I don't post up paranoid, uninformed, dangerous CT-er disinformation; that alone makes my posts superior to yours. I'm sorry that reality triggers you.

Desperate times call for desperate measures! When the NWO has done a bang-up job of suppressing evidence for ones pet fantasy one has to go in search of something that seems vaguely connected.

 

[marting]

This reminds me a bit of the early days in medical advances.

Boston's Cotton Mather, when he wasn't busy with Salem Witch Trials, became the leading advocate of Smallpox inoculation which eventually proved very effective. But at the beginning, there was considerable resistance. "Untested", "Against Gods Will", and so forth.

https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/...ion-during-the-1721-boston-smallpox-epidemic/

On April 22, 1721, a British ship arrived in Boston Harbor. On board, one of the sailors had begun to exhibit symptoms of smallpox. He was quickly quarantined, but several more members of the crew soon fell ill with the disease. An outbreak of the disease spread quickly through the city [1]. As the epidemic worsened, Cotton Mather reached out to the medical community of Boston, imploring them to use the inoculation method. One physician, Zabdiel Boylston, heeded his call, but most other doctors were hostile to the idea. At the forefront of the anti-inoculation contingency was one of Boston’s only physicians who actually held a medical degree, Dr. William Douglass. The arguments against inoculation were varied, ranging from disagreement on religious grounds to scientific uncertainty. While many argued that inoculation violated divine law, by either inflicting harm on innocent people or by attempting to counter God’s specific will, the main argument that Douglass made was that inoculation was untested and seemingly based on folklore. Douglas feared that unchecked use of inoculation would only quicken the spread of disease throughout the city.

Things have advanced quite a bit since then except in some circles.

 

[angrysoba]

Desperate times call for desperate measures! When the NWO has done a bang-up job of suppressing evidence for ones pet fantasy one has to go in search of something that seems vaguely connected.

Goddammit! How did that oral polio vaccine get reported in the MSM? It was Agent TK432’s job to suppress that one! We’ll have to send him to that island to play Squid Game with Agent 80085 who let out the secret about the J&J vaccine that was totally supposed to be suppressed!

 

[Resume]

There lies one of your many problems.

Seeing as you assign great weight to anecdotes from unqualified sources... I've worn KN95 for extended periods without issue.

But even in the unlikely event hypercarbia is a legit health concern, that doesn't prevent people from wearing a mask while shopping, etc.

I have asthma, chronic sinusitus, and have anxiety issues with breathing, yet it took me all of five minutes to get used to wearing a mask. My daughter's pulmonologist requires all patients to remain masked in his waiting room which makes me, I dunno, skeptical about medical exemptions for masks.

 

[angrysoba]

I have asthma, chronic sinusitus, and have anxiety issues with breathing, yet it took me all of five minutes to get used to wearing a mask. My daughter's pulmonologist requires all patients to remain masked in his waiting room which makes me, I dunno, skeptical about medical exemptions for masks.

Also Tippit should have no trouble given he is a super athlete more athleticlier than Carl Lewis and Eddie the Eagle Edwards!

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Childlike Empress, what did you mean when you claimed that you had "worked in science"?

Does something about this question upset you?

We shouldn't be overly skeptical of Childlike Empress's claim.

When empirical research involves human subjects, those subjects are often paid.

From Carnegie-Mellon University's guidelines:

Payments to human subjects in the amount of $250 or less can be made via cash, cash equivalent (e.g., gift certificate, gift card, or money order), check, or non-monetary/tangible items.

 

[michaelsuede]

And I was just posting a study that expanded on the VAERs vaccine death reports and compares it to the expected deaths in 7 days. It shows the VAERs data is far below (1/10) the expected deaths that would occur naturally 7 days after vaccination. This isn't surprising for multiple reasons, but it shows that VAERs data doesn't, itself, show excess deaths.

Just an FYI, VAERS is run by 50 people who review all submissions. All critical cases are forced to provide extensive documentation and undergo a review by a panel of nurses. The black log is immense. This is why sworn testimony by military doctors is so powerful, because they use an entirely different reporting system.

I think the sworn affidavits read something like. 300% increase in myocarditis, 1000% increase in neurological disorders, 300% increase in miscarriages, can’t remember the rest, but it was testified to at the recent senate hearing.

 

[arthwollipot]

I think it's worth transcribing exactly what he said here:

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What say you, Arthwolipot? Denial and post-purchase rationalization of your innovative experimental cellular gene therapy jab incoming in 3... 2... 1...

Thank you for transcribing this for those of us who don't click on random youtube links. Unfortunately, this is still hearsay. A single short quote out of context does not clarify for me exactly what this person was saying. So I'll have no further comment on it.

There are. I leave it to you to find them. Unfortunately given the complete lack of credibility of the manufacturers and the fact that they are trying to kill us, I will not be taking them under any circumstances.

And why would they be trying to kill us again?

Wait, no, never mind.

 

[Tippit]

Thank you for transcribing this for those of us who don't click on random youtube links. Unfortunately, this is still hearsay. A single short quote out of context does not clarify for me exactly what this person was saying. So I'll have no further comment on it.

LOL! So, fail to click on CE's youtube link to hear the words uttered, then claim my transcript was "hearsay". That is so precious. Thank you for revealing your character.

And why would they be trying to kill us again?

Wait, no, never mind.

Because you're a useless eater.

 

[Tippit]

"The Kansas bill requires a pharmacist to dispense a prescription for hydroxychloroquine sulfate and ivermectin and states that it protects pharmacists or prescribers from liability for prescribing the drugs for Covid-19. Guardian. From what I can glean from this article, Kansas is not alone.
EDT
IIRC one or more anti-vaccine posters pointed to lack of liability regarding the manufacturers (perhaps I am mistaken). If so, then they should also object to this.

I do object to it. What now?