Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Tippit]

Found this gem from September of 2020, from that well known conspiracy rag ABC News:

UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine

Whoops! Sorry about that, our bad. No, we're definitely not trying to kill you. Don't forget, the Covid "vaccines" are safe and effective!

 

[eerok]

There's always some issue. No study is ever perfect. That's why meta-analysis are such a good method of analyzing data.

You didn't answer the question. At what point would you be convinced?

The point where shenanigans are replaced by objective evidence.

 

[EaglePuncher]

Found this gem from September of 2020, from that well known conspiracy rag ABC News:

UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine

Whoops! Sorry about that, our bad. No, we're definitely not trying to kill you. Don't forget, the Covid "vaccines" are safe and effective!

Any evidence that relates all this to Covid? Whoops, sorry about that, my bad. I already know you are unable to show relevant evidence.

 

[michaelsuede]

Outright fraud is not just “some issue”; copying and pasting the sake data over and over again is not “some issue”; conducting a study where the hospital in question says it never took place is not “some issue”. If you have those types of problems and they massively tip the results in your meta-analysis then you can’t just handwave it away as you are doing.



If studies by reputable organizations rather than evangelists show a benefit then I will be persuaded. If you had shown me some actual figures from the Kowa trial and these were independently verified, then I would be convinced. The same goes for the Oxford trials.

Now, the same question goes to you. At what point would you say that ivermectin is being overplayed? At what point would you doubt it has any effect at all?

For me, given that I have first hand experience with it treating my COVID, my friends COVID, and both my parent's COVID, no amount of evidence could convince me it doesn't work. The effects were so profound, so rapid, so clearly evident, that it's simply not possible that it doesn't work.

 

[EaglePuncher]

For me, given that I have first hand experience with it treating my COVID, my friends COVID, and both my parent's COVID, no amount of evidence could convince me it doesn't work. The effects were so profound, so rapid, so clearly evident, that it's simply not possible that it doesn't work.

Nice anecdote. Do hydrinos also cure Covid? I bet they do.

 

[angrysoba]

For me, given that I have first hand experience with it treating my COVID, my friends COVID, and both my parent's COVID, no amount of evidence could convince me it doesn't work. The effects were so profound, so rapid, so clearly evident, that it's simply not possible that it doesn't work.

Okay. So we have established that one of us is open to evidence and persuasion and the other is not.

 

[Resume]

Yeah, we should definitely stop trying to eradicate polio.

CDC and its international partners have made significant progress toward polio eradication over the past 33 years.

The annual number of wild poliovirus cases has declined by more than 99.9% worldwide from an estimated 350,000 in 1988 when the Global Polio
Eradication Initiative was launched.

Of the three serotypes of wild poliovirus, type 2 was certified as eradicated in 2015 and type 3 was certified as eradicated in 2018.

The last evidence of wild poliovirus type 1 transmission in Nigeria was in September 2018, leaving only two polio-endemic countries (having never interrupted the transmission of indigenous wild poliovirus type 1), which are Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Five out of six World Health Organization regions are now certified wild poliovirus free—the African Region, the Americas, Europe, South East Asia and the Western Pacific.

Without our polio eradication efforts, more than 18 million people who are currently healthy would have been paralyzed by the virus.

Global polio eradication efforts stopped 14 of 29 circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPVs) outbreaks active in 2019. Setbacks due to the COVID-19 pandemic and polio outbreak response campaign quality must be addressed to regain progress and end every form of polio.

 

[Resume]

For me, given that I have first hand experience with it treating my COVID, my friends COVID, and both my parent's COVID, no amount of evidence could convince me it doesn't work. The effects were so profound, so rapid, so clearly evident, that it's simply not possible that it doesn't work.

Cool claim bro.

And that's all this is, but your post is useful in demonstrating a **** epistomology.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

No kidney transplant

"Carswell said he was going through the [kidney] transplant process at Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Hospital in Winston-Salem when he was told he would need to be vaccinated in order to move forward.

"They said the last thing we need talk about is your vaccination status," Carswell said. "And that's when I politely told him there was nothing really to talk about. It wasn't up for debate that I wasn't getting it. And then he told me, you know you'll die if you don't get it. And I said I'm willing to die."" WRAL FOX

Maybe he has heard some conspiracy theory about the vaccine's having some truly horrible effect. His 'live free or die' explanation does not make sense.

 

[Pixel42]

I remember reading about the polio outbreak in the Guardian at the time, and found the article:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

At issue is the fact that the oral polio vaccine – preferred in some places because of its ease of delivery and the lack of need for sterile syringes – uses an attenuated or weakened version of polio.

When a child receives the oral vaccine, the weakened virus replicates in the intestine, encouraging the production of antibodies, and can be present in excreta. In an area where there are high enough levels of immunity in the population, this usually does not present a problem, even if sanitation is poor.

But in areas where there is both poor sanitation and a lack of general immunisation the virus can survive and circulate for months, mutating over time until it poses the same risk of paralysis-causing disease as wild polio.

Use of the oral polio vaccine was discontinued in the UK in 2004 and the US in 2000, and the UN agency advises that the use of the oral vaccine should be discontinued after polio is judged to be eradicated because of the risk of vaccine-derived outbreaks.

 

[Steve]

Found this gem from September of 2020, from that well known conspiracy rag ABC News:

UN says new polio outbreak in Sudan caused by oral vaccine

Whoops! Sorry about that, our bad. No, we're definitely not trying to kill you. Don't forget, the Covid "vaccines" are safe and effective!

Congratulations on finding one rather isolated problem with one particular vaccine. Are you arguing against someone that has claimed that all vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective. Can you point out that person? Would you say that this problem was covered up by the UN, the WHO, or any other component of the NWO?

Who, exactly, in this case was actively attempting to kill people? And who were they actively attempting to kill?

Have you followed up on the 16 month old story to observe that the polio vaccine campaign was renewed without further complications because being vaccinated against polio is so much safer than the alternative?

The COVID vaccines are quite safe and quite effective. Polio vaccines are quite safe and quite effective. Annual flu vaccines are quite safe and quite effective. Smallpox vaccines are quite safe and quite effective. You yourself have never had, or had to worry about, smallpox or polio precisely because the vaccines are quite safe and quite effective.

Do you ever get tired of failing in your "arguments"?

 

[Tippit]

Yeah, we should definitely stop trying to eradicate polio.

I don't usually respond to your worthless posts, but this one was too funny to pass up. I'm thinking, maybe we should try to eradicate polio by first not causing polio. What do you think?

 

[Chris_Halkides]

protection from liability regarding ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine

"The Kansas bill requires a pharmacist to dispense a prescription for hydroxychloroquine sulfate and ivermectin and states that it protects pharmacists or prescribers from liability for prescribing the drugs for Covid-19. Guardian. From what I can glean from this article, Kansas is not alone.
EDT
IIRC one or more anti-vaccine posters pointed to lack of liability regarding the manufacturers (perhaps I am mistaken). If so, then they should also object to this.

 

[Tippit]

I remember reading about the polio outbreak in the Guardian at the time, and found the article:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus

Fantastic. How many people were affected by the distribution of the (presumably, safe at the time) oral polio "vaccine" that caused a polio outbreak?

Now how many people will be affected by the (presumably safe and effective!) Covid "vaccine" when it becomes apparent that it's directly caused the deaths of over 150,000 people in the short term, and then, when it goes really sideways, the millions and potentially billions in the long term? Do you understand that top down health mandates for experimental medical interventions compound the death and destruction when they go sideways?

Stop trying to force me and others to consume this.

 

[carlitos]

If the polio vaccine gets scare quotes, and the mRNA Covid 19 vaccines get scare quotes, I have to wonder - are there any real vaccines out there, or just "vaccines?"

 

[Resume]

I don't usually respond to your worthless posts, but this one was too funny to pass up. I'm thinking, maybe we should try to eradicate polio by first not causing polio. What do you think?

I think you are cherry picking an isolated problem that has zero relevance to COVID vaccines, and attempts to cast doubt on vaccines that are safe and effective and help eradicate deadly disease. As far as worthless posts, at least I don't post up paranoid, uninformed, dangerous CT-er disinformation; that alone makes my posts superior to yours. I'm sorry that reality triggers you.

 

[michaelsuede]

Okay. So we have established that one of us is open to evidence and persuasion and the other is not.

I don't think we've established that at all. We've established that I've reviewed all of the evidence and found it to be incredibly persuasive. So persuasive in fact that I acquired ivermectin and took it to treat my own COVID, in direct contradiction to the advice of the FDA, CDC and a whole host of other governmental bodies.

After having experienced the drug for myself, trying to convince me it doesn't work is equivalent to trying to convince me that ibuprofen doesn't actually work on headaches or that beer doesn't actually get you drunk. The effects are so powerful as to be undeniable.

 

[Resume]

Now how many people will be affected by the (presumably safe and effective!) Covid "vaccine" when it becomes apparent that it's directly caused the deaths of over 150,000 people in the short term,.

Bald assertion.

 

[Resume]

I don't think we've established that at all. .

Well, when you say no evidence will convince, that pretty much establishes it.

 

[marting]

Here's the evidence:

• 22,193 deaths are reported in relation to the Covid vaccine at VAERS.
• Not all of them can be caused by something other than the vaccine.
• One can suggest that a lot of them are caused by the vaccine.
• Therefore, a lot of them are caused by the vaccine.

I hope that clears it up.

Here's a study of excess deaths within 7 days of vaccination from VAERs data as well some data from Taiwan.

Does COVID-19 vaccination cause excess deaths?
https://journals.lww.com/jcma/Fullt...ID_19_vaccination_cause_excess_deaths_.2.aspx

How was the situation in the United States? From the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration, we obtained the number of deaths within 7 days after COVID-19 vaccination in the United States from December 2020 to May 2021.4 The demographic structure of the United States was available from CDC Wonder online database,5 and the COVID-19 vaccine coverage rate from CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.6 These data were used to calculate the proportion of deaths within 7 days after receiving COVID-19 vaccination per 100 1000 vaccinated persons, stratified by gender and age group. It was found that the mortality rate within 7 days after COVID-19 vaccination was higher for males than females and increased with age. But it was still much lower than the background mortality rate (the 7-day mortality rate in the US population) in 2019 (Table 1).