Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Bubba]

Playing the "it can only be black and white or gotcha" game looks bad on you.

Try being a bit more intellectually sophisticated

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The other example is when you or others say something like. "Now the guy who says MSM is corrupt just linked to a MSM source !" Abbadin does that too.

As if it's all black and white. Shame on you

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[Pixel42]

Well, we went from virtually no "vaccine"-associated deaths to 22,193 "vaccine"-associated deaths to date, which obviously correlates with the largest rollout of "vaccines" in history.

Are you suggesting that no death had ever been reported to VAERS as possibly vaccine related in its 31 year history prior to the release of these particular vaccines? That's another claim for which evidence is required, which I am sure will not be forthcoming.

Obviously a vaccine rollout on the scale of this one will increase the frequency of every type of possibly vaccine related event reported, including unexpected deaths.That is obvious, right? I don't need to explain that to you? You're still banging on about absolute numbers of reported events as if they mean something without pre vaccine rollout numbers to compare them with, so maybe I do?

Your apparent claim is that of all of these deaths, where health professionals or others have sought to go through the trouble to do the paperwork required for a VAERS report after the death of their patient or loved one, exactly one of them (or one type of adverse event, I'm not sure what you meant) died.

I'm saying that just one type of adverse event, a rare type of blood clot, has so far been confirmed as associated with COVID 19 vaccines. Sadly it has indeed caused deaths, though as it is apparently also a rare side effect of COVID 19 itself the vaccines will also have prevented deaths from it.

As you have once again failed to provide evidence of any other possibly vaccine related adverse event being confirmed as actually vaccine related I am going to assume that you have none.

 

[Resume]

Shame on you

Says the disinformationist.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[arthwollipot]

It appears that Tasmania miscounted the number of cases.

Tasmania has over-reported coronavirus cases by more than 1300 because of data errors, as well as infections being counted twice, AAP reports.

The island state’s cumulative tally will be corrected and shifted downwards by 1333, about 4% of its overall number of recorded cases, in Tuesday’s figures.

And you know who found out about it? Not conspiracy theorists. Scientists. And you know who reported it? Not some shady internet rando on 8chan, the Tasmanian Premier. Because that's how it works in the real world.

 

[arthwollipot]

Are you suggesting that no death had ever been reported to VAERS as possibly vaccine related in its 31 year history prior to the release of these particular vaccines? That's another claim for which evidence is required, which I am sure will not be forthcoming.

Obviously a vaccine rollout on the scale of this one will increase the frequency of every type of possibly vaccine related event reported, including unexpected deaths.That is obvious, right? I don't need to explain that to you? You're still banging on about absolute numbers of reported events as if they mean something without pre vaccine rollout numbers to compare them with, so maybe I do?

Steven Novella has said that VAERS is a Rorschach test. You can see whatever you want in its fuzzy data.

 

[Tippit]

Are you suggesting that no death had ever been reported to VAERS as possibly vaccine related in its 31 year history prior to the release of these particular vaccines? That's another claim for which evidence is required, which I am sure will not be forthcoming.

I'm suggesting that out of 22,193 "vaccine" deaths *reported*, the notion that none are caused is ridiculous, and I'm suggesting due to the unreported, the number of caused is much, much higher. I'm not sure what is required for you to believe that all or even most of those deaths are just coincidental, but it isn't skepticism.

Obviously a vaccine rollout on the scale of this one will increase the frequency of every type of possibly vaccine related event reported, including unexpected deaths.That is obvious, right? I don't need to explain that to you?

Yes, we agree on that. There are bound to be lots of people who were going to die anyway, and died coincidentally. But remember, these are VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS, COUPLED WITH DEATH. Whoever was doing the reporting ostensibly didn't just fill out the report for no reason.

I'm saying that just one type of adverse event, a rare type of blood clot, has so far been confirmed as associated with COVID 19 vaccines. Sadly it has indeed caused deaths, though as it is apparently also a rare side effect of COVID 19 itself the vaccines will also have prevented deaths from it.

As you have once again failed to provide evidence of any other possibly vaccine related adverse event being confirmed as actually vaccine related I am going to assume that you have none.

The inordinate number of related deaths coupled with the low reporting rate is evidence enough of a serious problem, because it's irrational to believe that most of them are just coincidental. As for your claim that a "rare blood clot" is the only risk, that is clearly false:

VAERS Data Confirm Myocarditis Risk After mRNA Vaccine

Then there is the apparent problem of adverse events linked to specific lots:

Sen. Johnson Presses FDA and CDC for Information on Adverse Events linked to COVID-19 Vaccine Lots

Gee, I wonder whether those lots wound up in red states? Maybe those were the lots with the stainless steel fragments found in Japan!

Apparently the CDC is hot on the case:

"Senator Johnson asked the FDA and CDC for a response to his letter no later than January 12, 2022. To date, the FDA and CDC have not responded– reinforcing their arrogant lack of transparency and unwillingness to be held accountable."

Well. That's reassuring.

And finally there is this, which is consistent with my own estimate:

Researchers Estimate COVID Vaccine Deaths at 150K, Including 1,300 Children

Here is a direct link to the report:

Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America

We would probably have more investigations, if the FDA and CDC weren't captive agencies of the pharmaceuticals, and the results of current investigations would probably have been reported in the media, if not for the coverup. I suggest that pharma had better keep it's death grip on the media, if it doesn't want it's leadership swinging from lampposts.

 

[EaglePuncher]

I suggest that pharma had better keep it's death grip on the media, if it doesn't want it's leadership swinging from lampposts.

Ignoring the made up garbage, let's jump to the highlighted: You realize that BIG PHARMA has their "guys" frequently read this forum (and all forums worldwide). By now, they should have realized that you know all of their dirty secrets, soooooo it will probably be YOU who will be swinging from a lamppost very very very soon.

 

[TofuFighter]

My boss is sending this flyer

to our work group. Quick online check seems to show it's a fairly recent addition. I highly doubt the institutes associated on the flyer have given authority on this at all.
Today is a deadline day for me so I can't be seen to be spending time debunking this nonsense, but I'll respond later or tomorrow to this in the work whatsapp group.

 

[Pixel42]

I'm suggesting that out of 22,193 "vaccine" deaths *reported*, the notion that none are caused is ridiculous, and I'm suggesting due to the unreported, the number of caused is much, much higher. I'm not sure what is required for you to believe that all or even most of those deaths are just coincidental, but it isn't skepticism.

What's required for me to believe otherwise is evidence.

Yes, we agree on that. There are bound to be lots of people who were going to die anyway, and died coincidentally. But remember, these are VACCINE ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS, COUPLED WITH DEATH. Whoever was doing the reporting ostensibly didn't just fill out the report for no reason.

They filled it out if they thought there was a possibility, however remote, that it was vaccine related. Only with many such reports can it be determined whether any particular event is occurring more often than would be expected.

The inordinate number of related deaths coupled with the low reporting rate is evidence enough of a serious problem, because it's irrational to believe that most of them are just coincidental.

It's entirely rational to think that until and unless there is good reason to think otherwise.

As for your claim that a "rare blood clot" is the only risk, that is clearly false:

VAERS Data Confirm Myocarditis Risk After mRNA Vaccine

Note the evidence given:

“The crude reporting rates for cases of myocarditis within 7 days after Covid-19 vaccination exceeded the expected rates of myocarditis across multiple age and sex strata,” the researchers wrote.

That's exactly the evidence I've been asking for. So now there's good reason to think there's a second type of adverse event that's associated with the COVID 19 vaccines. Fortunately the numbers are small, and none appear to be fatal.

That's two, rare, vaccine related adverse events identified after over a year of rollout to set against the hundreds of thousands (probably millions eventually) of lives saved. These vaccines are set to go down in history as the most beneficial ever created.

Then there is the apparent problem of adverse events linked to specific lots:

Sen. Johnson Presses FDA and CDC for Information on Adverse Events linked to COVID-19 Vaccine Lots

Gee, I wonder whether those lots wound up in red states? Maybe those were the lots with the stainless steel fragments found in Japan!

Contamination can be a problem with all medications. Cases of contamination tell you nothing about the safety of the medication itself.

And finally there is this, which is consistent with my own estimate:

Researchers Estimate COVID Vaccine Deaths at 150K, Including 1,300 Children

Here is a direct link to the report:

Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America

Based on the article the authors seem to be using the same faulty reasoning as you, i.e. thinking conclusions can be reached based on absolute numbers of reports. I'll wait for actual evidence before accepting such dubiously derived estimates.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Playing the "it can only be black and white or gotcha" game looks bad on you.

Try being a bit more intellectually sophisticated

Spell it out, then, Bubba: to what extent does having a Board member who is also a Board member of a pharmaceutical company affect the reliability of that particular source?
By the way, Fox News is out too. Sorry, Bubba.

 

[Tippit]

Based on the article the authors seem to be using the same faulty reasoning as you, i.e. thinking conclusions can be reached based on absolute numbers of reports. I'll wait for actual evidence before accepting such dubiously derived estimates.

Did you actually read the report? It was an extensive inquiry into the VAERS reports. Maybe you can voice your specific objections.


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[Tippit]

My boss is sending this flyer

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1275&pictureid=13013[/qimg]

to our work group. Quick online check seems to show it's a fairly recent addition. I highly doubt the institutes associated on the flyer have given authority on this at all.
Today is a deadline day for me so I can't be seen to be spending time debunking this nonsense, but I'll respond later or tomorrow to this in the work whatsapp group.

You do realize that in Jan 2022, even CNN admits that cloth masks fail to prevent viral infection, right? I’m assuming you live in the US like I do.


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[Bubba]

Spell it out, then, Bubba: to what extent does having a Board member who is also a Board member of a pharmaceutical company affect the reliability of that particular source?

By the way, Fox News is out too. Sorry, Bubba.

Fox. "News" is part of the problem.

See how you assumed too much about me..?





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[Tippit]

Ignoring the made up garbage, let's jump to the highlighted: You realize that BIG PHARMA has their "guys" frequently read this forum (and all forums worldwide). By now, they should have realized that you know all of their dirty secrets, soooooo it will probably be YOU who will be swinging from a lamppost very very very soon.

How old are you, twelve? First, I didn’t post any made up garbage. You suffer from confirmation bias, which makes it virtually impossible to accept, or in your case, even review evidence that disconfirms the narrative you believe. There are a couple of reasons why big pharma isn’t going to hurt me. The first and most important reason, is that we’re just shooting the **** in a conspiracy sub-forum on an already backwater forum. Nobody here takes each other very seriously, I am not believed. Big pharma is hardly threatened by what I know. The second reason, is that I am always well-armed, with security, and trained to defend myself.

Even if for some reason they would attempt to harm me and succeeded, it’s certainly not worth living in fear over, or chilling my own speech as a result. I suspect that is what you are trying to do, in your own juvenile way.


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[Pixel42]

Did you actually read the report? It was an extensive inquiry into the VAERS reports. Maybe you can voice your specific objections.

I already did. As I said, it doesn't compare the numbers of each type of adverse event with historical numbers to see if there have been any significant increases which are correlated with the vaccine rollout.

The actual report makes a half arsed attempt to determine the number of excess deaths using three other measures, none of which look remotely reliable to my (admittedly inexpert) eye.

I'll continue to wait for actual evidence.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Do tell

Tell you what: I'll explain (although a good search engine can give you much information) when you answer the questions many of us have asked you - Zelenko ring any bells?

How about that?

 

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

Really?
Sorry, I thought you thanked me. I also thought I recalled "showing the evidence".


Since some here sometimes seem to sound like they accept MSM reporting on covid and the injections as wholly reliable....here is "the evidence" again.` Let me know if you think the MSM covers big pharma fairly and responsibly.

Actual journalism matters in the age of covid, mandatory/coerced injections, and claims of dissenting doctors and scientists being censored.

What about every other country in the world that isn't the USA, and yet whose stance on covid is remarkably similar? Is every Media organisation in those countries infiltrated by US Big Pharma too? China? Russia? Spain? South Africa? UAE?

 

[Childlike Empress]

These vaccines do not modify genes. Gene therapy consists of modifying genes. mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy. They are branded as "gene therapy" by people whose intent is to frighten you. Because "gene therapy", despite its genuine potential for the treatment of genetic disorders, sounds scary, especially when paired with the word "experimental". It's pure FUD.

So the CEO of Bayer, talking to his fellow elitists, frolocking about how the Corona thing made the masses accept gene therapy they otherwise would have rejected, intended to frighten me with his talk? That's delusional, arthwollipot.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So the CEO of Bayer, talking to his fellow elitists, frolocking about how the Corona thing made the masses accept gene therapy they otherwise would have rejected, intended to frighten me with his talk? That's delusional, arthwollipot.

Says the smartest person we've ever encountered.

Now, about that work you did in science...

 

[TofuFighter]

You do realize that in Jan 2022, even CNN admits that cloth masks fail to prevent viral infection, right? I’m assuming you live in the US like I do.

Whatever CNN said with regard to the effectiveness of masks against Covid is not relevant. This particular flyer makes reference to oxygen deprivation, CO² poisoning, bacterial infection and psychological damage as a result of wearing masks and tries to add legitimacy by including the logos of various medical institutions on the flyer.

The NIHR, BPS and NHS sites appear to directly contradict the info in the image. The NSPCC make no mention at all about any of this. What the NCRI - cancer research centre - has to do with it, I don't know. Unicef does directly contradict it.

On the face of it, I'd say the flyer is nonsense.