Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VIII

Thanks for putting this up - will take time to read all that - I was always interested in what O was doing in Mexico and his interactions with the S and C embassies

The CIA really put in a solid effort. The new reports include interviews with a walk-in from Nicaragua, named Alvarado, who made incredible claims that Oswald had been paid by Cuba to assassinate JFK, and had traveled to Cuba. The CIA Mexico City Station went to great lengths to verify each of his claims, and quickly figured out Alvarado was lying.

Juxtapose that against how the 2002-CIA ran with the claims of a pair of Iraqi exiles about Saddam's WMD stockpile without ever bothering to verify in any way.

Had the Mexico City Station got that way with Alvarado's claims in 1964, there might not have been a 1965.

This collection of documents is remarkable as they fill in a lot of gaps. There are a lot of non-assassination memos included as well pertaining to MLK, and James Earl Ray, more on JMWAVE operations, and FBI counter-mafia operations in Canada, of all places.
 
Hey Question

I came across this on another forum

"Oswald had two torn in half one dollar bills in his wallet"

Instead of thrashing about on the internet I thought I'd just check with the experts here.

Is that true and what evil importance do the CTs give it?
 
Hey Question

I came across this on another forum

"Oswald had two torn in half one dollar bills in his wallet"

Instead of thrashing about on the internet I thought I'd just check with the experts here.

Is that true and what evil importance do the CTs give it?

It is an old style ID verification method. Tear a dollar in half. You keep one half, I keep the other half. If I give my half to Joe Bloggs the super spy, then he can verify you are indeed you by checking if the two half bills match.

Basic spycraft.

Now, did LHO have two torn in half dollar bills in his wallet? Well that would be useless for the intended purpose, wouldn't it. He hardly wants to identify himself to himself twice, does he? And Joe Bloggs the super spy would hardly give LHO back his half since when he is replaced by Jane Doe, Jane will need Joe's half in order to verify LHO.

Maybe LHO prepared two in advance, one for the CIA and one for the KGB? No, that doesn't work either. "oops, sorry, wrong half dollar bill. Gimme a second" sort of gives the double agent away. And it is normal the the tearing in half is done in the presence of the initial contact so there can be no risk of shenanigans.

What you actually have here is somebody who has read too many lame spy novels.
 
It is an old style ID verification method. Tear a dollar in half. You keep one half, I keep the other half. If I give my half to Joe Bloggs the super spy, then he can verify you are indeed you by checking if the two half bills match.

Basic spycraft.

Now, did LHO have two torn in half dollar bills in his wallet? Well that would be useless for the intended purpose, wouldn't it. He hardly wants to identify himself to himself twice, does he? And Joe Bloggs the super spy would hardly give LHO back his half since when he is replaced by Jane Doe, Jane will need Joe's half in order to verify LHO.

Maybe LHO prepared two in advance, one for the CIA and one for the KGB? No, that doesn't work either. "oops, sorry, wrong half dollar bill. Gimme a second" sort of gives the double agent away. And it is normal the the tearing in half is done in the presence of the initial contact so there can be no risk of shenanigans.

What you actually have here is somebody who has read too many lame spy novels.


Wot abaddon said.

Having one intact dollar bill in his wallet would be more suspicious than having two already torn dollar bills.
 
It is an old style ID verification method. Tear a dollar in half. You keep one half, I keep the other half. If I give my half to Joe Bloggs the super spy, then he can verify you are indeed you by checking if the two half bills match.

Basic spycraft.

Now, did LHO have two torn in half dollar bills in his wallet? Well that would be useless for the intended purpose, wouldn't it. He hardly wants to identify himself to himself twice, does he? And Joe Bloggs the super spy would hardly give LHO back his half since when he is replaced by Jane Doe, Jane will need Joe's half in order to verify LHO.

Maybe LHO prepared two in advance, one for the CIA and one for the KGB? No, that doesn't work either. "oops, sorry, wrong half dollar bill. Gimme a second" sort of gives the double agent away. And it is normal the the tearing in half is done in the presence of the initial contact so there can be no risk of shenanigans.

What you actually have here is somebody who has read too many lame spy novels.

But, did he actually have two torn-in-half bill halves in his wallet? I can't think of a logical reason for that, outside of something unusual.

I'm just asking if this is a rumor, or verified fact.
 
But, did he actually have two torn-in-half bill halves in his wallet? I can't think of a logical reason for that, outside of something unusual.

I'm just asking if this is a rumor, or verified fact.

It's just more JFK CT nonsense. I have a torn in half 5 euro note in my wallet. For years. I could bring it to a bank and get it swapped out for a crispy new one. But I don't because travel and parking and queuing up in the bank would mean I make a loss on the deal. I always say "Next time I am in the bank I will sort it" and I always forget.

So no, there would be nothing remarkable about it even if were vaguely true. It doesn't matter. It doesn't even mean anything. It simply cannot function as a spy trick.

If true, it simply indicates that LHO was careless with currency. Some people are. I have seen it IRL.

It is more rare these days, but I got some mileage so I recall the days when I carried cash. Those days are long gone. Had LHO lived in the modern era, he would have been nailed in seconds. So I operate cashless. Does that mean I can be tracked? Yes. Does that bother me? No. Because unlike LHO, I am not doing anything illegal.
 
But, did he actually have two torn-in-half bill halves in his wallet? I can't think of a logical reason for that, outside of something unusual.

I'm just asking if this is a rumor, or verified fact.

Yeah, that is what I was interested in. Is there a report on what O had on him when he was arrested and that fact was noted then.

..or did a CTer make it up decades later.
 
Oh boy, Oswald's wallet...

Seems he had two. One was left with Tippit after he shot him, and the second was pulled out of his pants in the back seat of the patrol car after his arrest at the Texas Theater.

I can't find an inventory of the items, not sure if they were written down.

Even better, JFK-CTist claim there were four in total, with one supposedly found at the Paine residence, and the one in the National Archives alleged to be an FBI plant.

I've heard the dollar-bill fragment story, and we've discussed it here a few times. Hank would be the best source on this subject. Far as I know this was never confirmed as DPD never inventoried the contents, nor did the FBI. If it's listed in the WC it's in an unsearchable section.

The main point is that CTists want it both ways, they claim the torn note is proof of spy-craft, but at the same time they claim the wallet(s) were planted by them.
 
Oh boy, Oswald's wallet...

Seems he had two. One was left with Tippit after he shot him, and the second was pulled out of his pants in the back seat of the patrol car after his arrest at the Texas Theater.

I can't find an inventory of the items, not sure if they were written down.

Even better, JFK-CTist claim there were four in total, with one supposedly found at the Paine residence, and the one in the National Archives alleged to be an FBI plant.

I've heard the dollar-bill fragment story, and we've discussed it here a few times. Hank would be the best source on this subject. Far as I know this was never confirmed as DPD never inventoried the contents, nor did the FBI. If it's listed in the WC it's in an unsearchable section.

The main point is that CTists want it both ways, they claim the torn note is proof of spy-craft, but at the same time they claim the wallet(s) were planted by them.

.....a CT beauty then - whatever was there is up for CT imagination free of restraints fall thinking then.

I say there was a Soviet 130mm artillery shell in his wallet = prove me wrong! lol
 
Yeah, that is what I was interested in. Is there a report on what O had on him when he was arrested and that fact was noted then.

..or did a CTer make it up decades later.


I think the part that interests me, though, is that there is a certain tendency to dismiss such things as unimportant. To say, "even if it X were true, it means nothing". When any reasonable person might say, "that is a rather odd occurrence".

It's a sort of confirmation bias, much like a CT might have. In this case, it sounds like it is nothing of concern, unverified. But, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss things. For example, this statement:

Having one intact dollar bill in his wallet would be more suspicious than having two already torn dollar bills.


I don’t understand where that thought comes from. If a person has a whole, intact, one dollar bill in their wallet that would raise little interest. But to have two unique halves…that seems a lot more odd. Especially when you look at the overall context.
 
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I think the part that interests me, though, is that there is a certain tendency to dismiss such things as unimportant. To say, "even if it X were true, it means nothing". When any reasonable person might say, "that is a rather odd occurrence".
Gosh, you must lead a very dull life. Unexpected things happen to me every day and I relish it.

It's a sort of confirmation bias, much like a CT might have.
You mean like you?

In this case, it sounds like it is nothing of concern, unverified. But, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss things. For example, this statement:

I don’t understand where that thought comes from. If a person has a whole, intact, one dollar bill in their wallet that would raise little interest. But to have two unique halves…that seems a lot more odd. Especially when you look at the overall context.
That has been explained to you in detail. That you refuse to read or understand is your problem not anyone else's. I cannot help you with that.
 
I think the part that interests me, though, is that there is a certain tendency to dismiss such things as unimportant. To say, "even if it X were true, it means nothing". When any reasonable person might say, "that is a rather odd occurrence".

Why?

A reasonable person would read up on Oswald and learn that while he was a complex individual, he was wannabe. Everything about Oswald was odd from day one. He was the product of a crazy mother.


I don’t understand where that thought comes from. If a person has a whole, intact, one dollar bill in their wallet that would raise little interest. But to have two unique halves…that seems a lot more odd. Especially when you look at the overall context.

Cool, let's look at the "context".

1. We can't confirm these dollar halves were even in his wallet.
2. In this case the CTists have a point, due to DPD's handling of BOTH wallets they could be ruled inadmissible in a court of law. If I was his lawyer I'd push that angle.
3. In 1963, $1 was serious cash, and a torn bill can be taken to any bank to be replaced with a whole bill. In 1963, banks closed at 5PM, and were not open on weekends, thus who knows how long those bill-halves had been in his wallet while he waited for an opportunity to exchange them? In the context of 1963, combined with Oswald's finances, this is the more likely scenario.
4. Speculation is not proof.

Doesn't matter what was in his wallet. All that matters is his rifle, with his prints, was found on the 6th floor - his work station - of the Texas School Book Depository, and the bullets recovered from the limo, and JFK's head, match the rifle. The gun used to kill Officer JD Tippit was the same gun taken FROM OSWALD'S HAND by another DPD officer whom he was attempting to shoot during apprehension.

In 59 years nobody has been able to link Oswald, the lone shooter, to any larger group of actors on any level. Maybe someday someone will do this, and it will have nothing to do with the alleged dollar fragments.
 
Doesn't matter what was in his wallet. All that matters is his rifle, with his prints, was found on the 6th floor - his work station - of the Texas School Book Depository, and the bullets recovered from the limo, and JFK's head, match the rifle. The gun used to kill Officer JD Tippit was the same gun taken FROM OSWALD'S HAND by another DPD officer whom he was attempting to shoot during apprehension.

In 59 years nobody has been able to link Oswald, the lone shooter, to any larger group of actors on any level. Maybe someday someone will do this, and it will have nothing to do with the alleged dollar fragments.

Again, why are people here so quick to create a CT narrative around any innocuous statement? I didn't say the contents of his wallet, whatever they might be, would change the fact that he was the lone shooter.

However, if we are really seeking the truth (as opposed to trying to discredit statements we don't agree with), we might not dismiss extra data points.
 
I don’t understand where that thought comes from. If a person has a whole, intact, one dollar bill in their wallet that would raise little interest. But to have two unique halves…that seems a lot more odd. Especially when you look at the overall context.

Fine. In what overall context would the presence- if true- of a torn dollar bill in Oswald's wallet be noteworthy?
 
Again, why are people here so quick to create a CT narrative around any innocuous statement? I didn't say the contents of his wallet, whatever they might be, would change the fact that he was the lone shooter.

However, if we are really seeking the truth (as opposed to trying to discredit statements we don't agree with), we might not dismiss extra data points.

But you aren't looking for the truth. You're looking for a reason to doubt the truth so an alternate point of view can be forced into the narrative.

I told you the facts, why waste time fact-checking a ghost story?
 
Again, why are people here so quick to create a CT narrative around any innocuous statement? I didn't say the contents of his wallet, whatever they might be, would change the fact that he was the lone shooter.

However, if we are really seeking the truth (as opposed to trying to discredit statements we don't agree with), we might not dismiss extra data points.

Just how do two torn half of one dollar bills in Oswald's wallet mean anything? This is assuming that is true to begin with.

Assuming it is true what is more likely Oswald accidently tore in half two bills and was keeping them in his wallet to exchange for whole bills or simply forgot about it, after all wallets are often just stuffed with crap, or this was part of some conspiracy related stuff or the assassination somehow.

Frankly I doubt it is true and if it is so what? Without a context it is just a trivial data point that makes no real sense because we lack the data for it to make real sense. Like many unexplained things we lack the data and we have no data that shows it is of any importance whatsoever.
 
I think also that expecting someone like Oswald, who was clearly deranged, to be in all other respects completely rational is a mistake.
If an odd person does odd things, I do not see that as shocking.
 

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