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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Tippit said:
I don't deny the experimental gene therapy elicits an immune response which offers protection depending on the variant. I'm claiming that Covid mortality stats are bogus, VAERS stats with reasonably inferred reporting rates indicate deaths in the tens or even hundreds of thousands, injuries in the millions, and moderate to severe adverse events in the tens of millions. I'm claiming that hospitals are killing patients and blaming it on Covid, health bureaucrats are killing people by panning early treatments that actually work, and for any protection the "vaccines" offer they probably aren't worth either the short or as yet unknown long term risks, given the efficacy of the suppressed treatments, and infection survival rates. They definitely aren't worth the risks in children, and especially young males.
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Yes, we know you're claiming that.
What we haven't seen is any actual evidence for that. This is just you, waffling on, and on, and on. :words:
 
I stand corrected. (See strikeout and corrected text in gray.)
Tippit said:
Credibility is a funny thing. I may not have credibility here, per se, but that is less a function of my own credibility, and more a function of pseudo-skeptics inability to believe anything other than their narrative. What I do have, is integrity, and that is independent of what you, or anyone else believes.
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Tippit is not just fitter, stronger, healthier, and faster than anyone else. He also believes he is more credible has integrity.

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Michaelsude is good people. I'm pretty sure he doesn't want you jabbing your kids for a disease with what, a 99.9999% infection survival rate for that demographic?
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According to CDC's preliminary data on cases and COVID-19 deaths for US children under 18, it seems Tippit's guess for that demographic is off by only two decimal orders of magnitude (which is pretty good for Tippit).
 
For the person who claims they are the smartest person we'll ever encounter and is also employed in science:
The development and approval of messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines have been nothing short of a miracle. As a recent Commonwealth Fund study found, in the absence of vaccines, there would have been approximately 1.1 million additional Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. and 10.3 million more hospitalizations by November 2021.

Vaccines have saved lives and prevented severe disease, with, thus far, comparatively few adverse events. Nevertheless, vocal anti-vaccine groups persistently refer to mRNA vaccines, in particular, as “experimental gene therapies.”
Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not, however, gene therapies because they do not alter a person’s genes.
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And.
Chance That COVID-19 Vaccines Are Gene Therapy? 'Zero'

There are lots of unfounded fears about the COVID-19 vaccines floating around, and one of the most pervasive is the idea that these new shots aren't really vaccines, but that they will somehow change your genes or insert themselves into the DNA of your cells.

You may see people posting on social media about the vaccines being a kind of gene therapy, and they're partly right, but in the end this idea often misses some important details about how the vaccines work. They can't change your genes, and they don't stay in your body for more than a few days.
The mRNA chains from the vaccines only last for a couple of days before they break down and the pieces are swept away by the body's normal waste disposal system.

Messenger RNA is genetic material, so in that sense, the vaccines are genetically based therapy.

But the FDA classifies them as vaccines, not gene therapy.

"I think people hear that and they think 'Oh my God, You're going to alter my DNA," Offit says. "That's not possible."
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Just a refresher.
 
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Tippit said:
The premise of your question is ridiculous, because different vaccines work differently. Smallpox vaccine infects the host to elicit an immune response, but it's not a severe infection because it's been attenuated - in other words, nothing like what I just described about the mRNA "vaccines", which, by the way are leaky and non-sterilizing…
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They’re what?
 
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And so for all of the otherwise healthy people with no co-morbidities who comprise those 22,193 and died shortly after being "vaccinated", your default assumption would be that their deaths were unconnected to the "vaccine"? What makes you think that's a reasonable assumption?
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The null hypothesis.
 
Tippit said:
Credibility is a funny thing. I may not have credibility here, per se, but that is less a function of my own credibility, and more a function of pseudo-skeptics inability to believe anything other than their narrative. What I do have, is integrity, and that is independent of what you, or anyone else believes.
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Posters who continually repost lies lack credibility and integrity.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Anyone with integrity would have checked that claim before gloating about their supposed victory.
You didn't check it, did you?
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If only there was a system by which every claim was checked, tried to be disproven, by people worldwide, then those claims that survived that process would be the ones that we could have the most confidence in.

Someone should look into that.
 
A folding of the hands to sleep

Paul2 said:
If only there was a system by which every claim was checked, tried to be disproven, by people worldwide, then those claims that survived that process would be the ones that we could have the most confidence in.

Someone should look into that.
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Easily pleasiley. Just run everything past Tippit. He'll rule on all questions magisterially and infallibly -- what have I implied? that the Big T could ever be fallible? oh god, what a solecism! -- by telepathy or osmosis or DNA or other big words, and then we can all hush and go to sleep.

Rest, rest, perturbèd spirit.
 
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccination

In December, compared to fully vaccinated persons in each group shown below, the monthly rates of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations were:

16X Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 18 Years and Older

8x Higher in Unvaccinated Adolescents Ages 12-17 Years

12x Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 18-49 years

18x Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 50-64 years

18x Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 65 Years and Older
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In December, compared to fully vaccinated persons with additional or booster doses in each age group shown below, the monthly rates of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations were:

46x Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 50-64 years

52x Higher in Unvaccinated Adults Ages 65 Years and Older
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Steve said:
True. But neither claim any (nor show any) particular expertise. Just a rather non specific and useless "look at me" sort of aimless brain works.
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Well, they seem expert at cut-n-pasting propaganda that gulls them, and providing links they didn't read or fully understand.
 
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