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Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Freedom of speech. Post-truth culture ("an assertion of ideological supremacy by which its practitioners try to compel someone to believe something regardless of the evidence"). The rise of willful stupidity as a marker of political identity. Financial incentives rewarding grifters who exploit the proudly gullible.

It's a deadly combination.


Tippit, relying on the free speech afforded by this platform, responded:
Yeah, no. Your explanation is rejected.

The discrepancy in per capita Covid mortality in the US is explained by the simple fact that the "vaccines" coupled with the gross negligence and malpractice by hospitals is literally killing people and then naming the cause of death Covid, and where it is not, every death with Covid is statistically misrepresented as a death by Covid.


I commend Tippit for his most excellent example of how free speech, post-truth culture, willful stupidity, and proud gullibility have contributed to COVID-19 mortality in the US.
 
Probably not much at all. He's just some virtue-signaling old ******* who doesn't think freedom of speech concerning the issues surrounding a not-fully understood virus is important, and would prefer that only the bleating voice of a tyrannical government be heard.

And you think that wanting his music removed from a platform that also hosts someone he thinks is promoting dangerous lies is infringing on that other person's freedom of speech?

Oh, that's right. You think that requiring masks in a grocery store will cause people to starve to death. So of course you do.

Seriously, if I'm playing in a club and the other act is a comedian who tells racist jokes, am I suppressing his freedom of speech if a say "I'm not playing this ****-hole and walk out?
 
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Reported Cases and Deaths by Country or Territory

Here is the worldometer that reports Covid deaths by country. The US is by far #1 in "Covid deaths" with close to 900,000 at the time of this posting (897,253).

That represents a whopping 15.9% of the global death count of 5,641,476 accounted for by just one country with allegedly one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

The population of the US is 334M versus the world's 7.9B, or only 4.23%. How would you attempt to explain this discrepancy in per-capita Covid mortality? Obviously the US population is one of the most obese and least healthy in the world, with lots of co-morbidities, but the gulf in "Covid deaths" cannot be explained by this alone. Hmmm....... perhaps Covid deaths in the US are grossly overstated for a variety of "reasons".

Possible reason - at this late date, a year after vaccines have been freely available in the first world, we have a larger percentage of unvaccinated people than ... all of the big countries except for India? The unvaccinated ones are obviously the ones who are dying.

excel sorted by me - I hid the smaller countries (less than 10 million doses administered) to get the USA to appear on the screenshot, since we were in the 60-something row of the table.

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As Campbell has pointed out many times, there is no doubt that people get an immunity from catching the virus. Those that don't die from it, that is. However, as he also points out, doing it that way gives all the risk, including that of death.

Being vaccinated gives high immunity WITHOUT the need to first catch the disease, and all the risk that entails. I would have thought that was obvious, but apparently not?
It is obvious to a certain sector of the population that the right way to avoid a disease is to catch it. Simple and symmetrical, the allopathic whines of the feeble sheeple are sucked into its powerful vortex and emerge on the other side as if never uttered at all.
 
Throughout the spectrum of conspiracy theories, it always comes down to the same things. It's a gnostic cult that feeds people's egos. Proponents of whatever conspiracy theory get to act as though they know something that only genuinely smart people like themselves can figure out. And that same egotism causes them to have a general problem with any authority. And I'm not talking about governmental or law enforcement authority, I'm talking about whole fields of highly trained experts in any complex field of knowledge. These conspiracy theorists are the types who always have to know as much or more than any expert, whether it's a trained mechanic, scientist, doctor, electrician, whatever. They need everyone to be impressed with them, and someone seeing them say "this is beyond my knowledge base, but a ****-load of scientists around the world have reached an overwhelming consensus on what should be done, so I'm going to trust them", makes them feel weak. But saying, "all those experts are wrong and I know better", makes them feel strong.

To circle back to this. I listened to an interview just a bit ago with estranged wife of insurrectionist, Oath Keeper, and seditionist conspirator Elmer Stewart Rhodes, whom she claimed was an abusive, violent, unstable narcissistic sociopath. With that on his resume, she also claimed he thinks himself a very special person in history, which I suppose it true, but not in the manner he hopes.

This is also cleary true of these COVID CT-ers/disinformationists who imagine themselves as some sort of hero, but in the end, history will view them as quite the opposite.
 
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It is obvious to a certain sector of the population that the right way to avoid a disease is to catch it. Simple and symmetrical, the allopathic whines of the feeble sheeple are sucked into its powerful vortex and emerge on the other side as if never uttered at all.

Or, spoken more truthfully and accurately, a certain segment of the population realizes that Covid mortality and "vaccine" adverse event statistics are a *********** of lies and official misinformation, and so they realize that even the .26% Covid infection fatality rate is grossly inflated, and thus it makes sense not to catch the disease, but to learn how to properly treat the inevitable infection and move on with life.
 
Or, spoken more truthfully and accurately, a certain segment of the population realizes that Covid mortality and "vaccine" adverse event statistics are a *********** of lies and official misinformation, and so they realize that even the .26% Covid infection fatality rate is grossly inflated, and thus it makes sense not to catch the disease, but to learn how to properly treat the inevitable infection and move on with life.

and how do they know that?
gut feeling?
 
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence for a lot of things already covered, but none as far as I know that is likely to convince someone of your persuasion.
Circumstantial evidence should be a spur for actual research that is determinative. Til then, the null hypothesis applies.
 
. . . but to learn how to properly treat the inevitable infection and move on with life.
Yeah, tell that to the growing number of COVID patients that are getting limbs amputated due to blood clots. Maybe you could use some of your (alleged) wealth to help purchase artificial limbs.

Or tell that noise to the sufferers of long COVID with their cognitive and pulmunary issues.

What a stupid, stupid suggestion.
 
No. If causes of death are being misattributed on death certificates for a variety of reasons, as I claim they are, then the data is bad, and no meaningful inferences can be made from it. If someone dies of breast cancer treatment, and their cause of death is marked breast cancer, time doesn't solve that problem.
We were discussing how we could reliably establish whether the suggestion in the link Bubba posted that vaccines might be causing an increase in cases of breast cancer, based on VAERS data, was correct.

If deaths that are really due to the treatment for breast cancer are wrongly being attributed to breast cancer (and I make no comment as to the accuracy of that claim) then that's been going on for years. The data on the incidence of breast cancer in 2021 will still tell us whether there has been a rise that requires explanation. An analysis of the data will tell us whether that rise is correlated with the vaccine rollout, present only in the vaccinated, etc.

If vaccines are increasing the incidence of, or deaths from, any cause, that will show up in the data. Indeed, it already has - a small increase in a rare type of blood clot has already been identified, and attributed to a couple of the vaccines. So the system is already working, and there is no good reason to think that any other such effects of the vaccines will not be similarly identified and attributed.
 
The reason I ask about the cause mortality rate in the US or UK is because New Zealand has no desire to produce one and there are some issues with the vaccines, but their follow up on these reports have been questionable at best.

I just came across this Video from Lynda Wharton from New Zealand having a discussion about this topic.
https://youtu.be/_lU8Gja1jd8

Another one here regarding New Zealand as well:
https://youtu.be/VVxmAIKjYM4
 
The reason I ask about the cause mortality rate in the US or UK is because New Zealand has no desire to produce one and there are some issues with the vaccines, but their follow up on these reports have been questionable at best.

I just came across this Video from Lynda Wharton from New Zealand having a discussion about this topic.
https://youtu.be/_lU8Gja1jd8

Another one here regarding New Zealand as well:
https://youtu.be/VVxmAIKjYM4

Lynda Wharton - according to a quick Google she is an acupuncturist and naturopath. Sorry, not really a good source of information in my humble opinion.
 
We were discussing how we could reliably establish whether the suggestion in the link Bubba posted that vaccines might be causing an increase in cases of breast cancer, based on VAERS data, was correct.

Here are the reporting requirements for the Covid "vaccines", from HHS:

VAERS Reporting Requirements for COVID-19 Vaccines

It states that any serious AE is required by law to be reported, whether or not the reporter thinks it's vaccine related. However, there is no time interval listed. It seems highly unlikely to me that if the "vaccines" are affecting Type I Interferon response which may lead to future higher incidence of cancers, that reporters will decide to file a VAERS report in the interval required for the cancer to develop. If it's going to be detected, it won't be through VAERS.

If deaths that are really due to the treatment for breast cancer are wrongly being attributed to breast cancer (and I make no comment as to the accuracy of that claim) then that's been going on for years. The data on the incidence of breast cancer in 2021 will still tell us whether there has been a rise that requires explanation. An analysis of the data will tell us whether that rise is correlated with the vaccine rollout, present only in the vaccinated, etc.

I was using breast cancer analogy as an example for why surveillance based on mortality data is a problem, especially when it's possible or even likely that toxic treatments (and/or "vaccines") increase mortality which is then blamed on the disease.

If vaccines are increasing the incidence of, or deaths from, any cause, that will show up in the data. Indeed, it already has - a small increase in a rare type of blood clot has already been identified, and attributed to a couple of the vaccines. So the system is already working, and there is no good reason to think that any other such effects of the vaccines will not be similarly identified and attributed.

There are about 1.9M adverse events and 22000 deaths reported on VAERS, you can browse them here:

https://openvaers.com/

If the reporting rate is anywhere near 1% (which I do not believe it is), then obviously the actual number of adverse events and deaths is a large multiple of those two numbers. Even if the reporting rate is considerably higher, the actual adverse events will still be a multiple of those numbers, which is unacceptably high, even next to the inflated bogus US Covid death toll of ~900,000, and made worse in the context of this disease having effective early treatment options which are being denied in favor of selling a perpetual vaccine boosters. Who knows how many of those purported 900,000 could have been saved by actual effective protocols, or even just basic treatments that are known to be effective like monoclonal antibodies which are now being suppressed by the Federal Government (claims are that they aren't effective vs. Omicron).

I know a friend personally who had an adverse reaction that he characterized as moderate, where he passed out and had extremely low blood pressure, and there was no VAERS record submitted. I suspect that given the lengthy amount of time and paperwork required, the underreporting rate is still relatively high even given the ostensible scrutiny that you would think should be evident.

For the tens of thousands of people who have died at the hands of the experimental gene therapies, and the millions who have had severe adverse reactions, and who were denied effective treatments, the system is clearly not working.
 
The reason I ask about the cause mortality rate in the US or UK is because New Zealand has no desire to produce one...

Nonsense. The Ministry has closely monitored vaccine reactions from day 1. So far, there are two deaths with the coroner that may be vaccine-related.

I just came across this Video from Lynda Wharton from New Zealand having a discussion about this topic.
https://youtu.be/_lU8Gja1jd8

Another one here regarding New Zealand as well:
https://youtu.be/VVxmAIKjYM4

Conspiracy section is thataway ->

Unqualified people spouting gibberish and lies. Nice work.

I'm surprised you haven't included the utterly fake news that 5 kids collapsed after receiving the vaccine on the first day of <12 vaccines.
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Has someone hung out a "Conspiracy Nutters Welcome" sign on the thread?
 
Once again: the fact that something is reported to VAERS as a possibly vaccine related adverse event or death does not mean that it is a vaccine related adverse event or death. The purpose of such reports is to give early warning of something that may be related to the vaccine. That's over and above the already known side effects such as a sore arm, of course. The way we establish whether there really are vaccine related adverse events or deaths is to look at all the other available data.

This system has already identified one such problem, and there is no good reason to think it won't identify any others that may exist.

For vaccine effects that don't become apparent for years VAERS is, of course, of little use, but that's hardly surprising as that's not what it's for. So no early warning of those. But such effects, if they exist, will certainly show up in the massive amounts of data that are collected and analysed every year. People tend to notice when rates of illness and death increase for no readily apparent reason.

ETA: There have been a few posts suggesting that the fact that only some percentage of possibly vaccine related adverse events are reported to VAERS (with the important word possibly usually omitted) is an issue. This once again displays a misunderstanding of what VAERS is for. A representative sample of such events is all that's needed to see if there is an unusually high incidence of any particular type of event.
 
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Nonsense. The Ministry has closely monitored vaccine reactions from day 1. So far, there are two deaths with the coroner that may be vaccine-related.



Conspiracy section is thataway ->

Unqualified people spouting gibberish and lies. Nice work.

I'm surprised you haven't included the utterly fake news that 5 kids collapsed after receiving the vaccine on the first day of <12 vaccines.
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Has someone hung out a "Conspiracy Nutters Welcome" sign on the thread?
No, but Liz Gunn is Shakespearean tragedy.
She proves all are vulnerable to a fork in the road.
Science and medicine unwittingly abandoned.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-...apsing-at-north-shore-vaccination-centre.html
 
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Has there been any studies done about the all-cause mortality rate from the vaccine in the US or UK?
In other words, has there been any causes of death or serious health issues reported implicating the vaccines as the culprit?

Any? IIRC, yes - a couple very rare problems that happen dramatically more often and seriously in unvaccinated people who become sick with covid. So getting vaccinated is very slightly more dangerous than not getting vaccinated, provided that one is not at risk of catching covid... which is the case for pretty much no one at this point.
 
Or, spoken more truthfully and accurately, a certain segment of the population realizes that Covid mortality and "vaccine" adverse event statistics are a *********** of lies and official misinformation, and so they realize that even the .26% Covid infection fatality rate is grossly inflated, and thus it makes sense not to catch the disease, but to learn how to properly treat the inevitable infection and move on with life.

And, just like those brilliant moon landing deniers and flat earthers, they've realized that there's a global conspiracy involving virtually the entirety of the scientific community. They sure are smart.
 
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