Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV
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That's silly and untrue, obviously.
Serious question - in reality, these millions of people died from Coronavirus. Do you believe that there is a massive, global conspiracy that is ... I don't even know, faking the death statistics? What did these people die of? What killed the extra million or so Americans that died in the last couple of years?
Yes, but not one that requires millions of active conspirators. Not so much "faking" death statistics, but a combination of Medicare subsidy incentives for patients hospitalized with Covid ($13,000), patients on ventilators due to Covid ($39,000), inept health bureaucrats vilifying and withholding crucial and effective early treatments, incompetent doctors and nurses enacting hospital Covid "protocols" using highly toxic yet massively profitable and patient-monetizable drugs like Remdeathisnear, and placing patients who may not need them on life-ending ventilators, mandating failed one-size fits all treatments for everyone and crucifying doctors treating people individually, and more.
A combination of the above. But we will never really know, because all of the death certificates are marked "Covid", and people like you believe it uncritically.
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Purple Pangolin
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Have you tried speculating wildly and then inventing increasingly hysterical justifications to back yourself up?
All of the "above" are from people being treated for Covid - whether ineffectively, or even with malice. So ... the extra million dead in the USA are mostly from these perverse financial incentives, but they died as a result of Covid-19 then. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you here.
So - the 5 million or so people that have died outside of the USA, mostly in places without for-profit health care - what's the deal there?
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Actually, we have lots of questions. (Like "what evidence can you provide showing that the COVID-19 vaccines are gene therapies?".) That's why so many of us are scientifically literate, and a fair number of us actual scientists. (No, that doesn't include Childlike Empress.) And we know that the scientific method works. It's given us the ability to communicate in real time with people thousands of miles away. It's given us photos of worlds over 3.5 billion miles from the sun. It's discovered exoplanets many trillions of miles from the sun. It's landed humans on the moon. It's shown us the age of the earth and the mechanism behind heredity and evolution. And it's drastically cut down on the number of perfectly good virgins wasted on appeasing imaginary volcano gods.
The main difference between you and us is that we aren't so arrogant as to think that we are qualified to question an overwhelming consensus of scientists about their field of expertise, whereas you are. We know the scientific method works, and we know that there are times when the best chance of well-being, even survival, is to listen to people who know what the **** they're talking about. You're real problem isn't that we aren't questioning - it's that we're questioning your unqualified nonsense. Your problem seems to be that we know enough about science to be impressed with it, and enough to not be impressed by you.
Paranoid disinformationist bull ****.
Impervious to objective reality, you certainly won't.
BTW: According to medical experts far more informed, and less paranoid than yourself, COVID deaths are likely under counted. By how much, only time will tell.
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Paul2
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You're missing how more data works into this (Pixel42, correct me if I'm wrong): The situation you describe is resolved by looking at data later to see if breast cancer deaths have increased significantly. If they have, then your question pertains and maybe there is an issue there. But if they haven't, then your question doesn't matter, as there's nothing to seek an explanation for. So we have to wait until those broader stats come out.
I think you acknowledged this earlier, but your post above acts like you haven't.
Anti-vax cement-head apologizes for "reprehensible" Anne Frank comparison.
Even his wife found this dumb ****'s statement vile. Of course it was, he's an anti-vaxxer.
Even his wife found this dumb ****'s statement vile. Of course it was, he's an anti-vaxxer.
It really is. It might be written in this forum by the most intelligent, rich, well-read, well-informed, amazingly athletic guy, but those $13,000 / $39,000 figures are straight from the Alex Jones show. Toothless rednecks can parrot this same nonsense, and it's just as false coming from them.
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The bulk of this paranoid nonsense actually is parroted and perpetuated by toothless rednecks, and fed to them by scam artists who make way more money than any reputable doctor by scamming those toothless rednecks.
If you had basic reading comprehension in the first place, you wouldn't need me to "correct" your misunderstandings. I'm saying that people are dying from Covid, inept public health policies that have denied early and efficacious treatment, medical malpractice involving Remdesivir, ventilators, and more, and last but not least, the beloved toxic experimental gene therapies that some of you like to call "vaccines". Not necessarily in that order. Sole-cause and in many cases utterly false data taken from death certificates and then presented as statistical gospel of how deadly this disease is, only serves to cover up all of the malpractice, while at the same time falsely indicating to the public that the disease is far more dangerous than it actually is. Two birds killed with one stone.
To the extent that some of the same conditions and treatments apply there as they do here, more or less the same things, in different proportions, obviously.
Reported Cases and Deaths by Country or Territory
Here is the worldometer that reports Covid deaths by country. The US is by far #1 in "Covid deaths" with close to 900,000 at the time of this posting (897,253).
That represents a whopping 15.9% of the global death count of 5,641,476 accounted for by just one country with allegedly one of the best healthcare systems in the world.
The population of the US is 334M versus the world's 7.9B, or only 4.23%. How would you attempt to explain this discrepancy in per-capita Covid mortality? Obviously the US population is one of the most obese and least healthy in the world, with lots of co-morbidities, but the gulf in "Covid deaths" cannot be explained by this alone. Hmmm....... perhaps Covid deaths in the US are grossly overstated for a variety of "reasons".
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So, USA Today, that worthless pro-experimental gene therapy rag I linked that fact-checked what I told you about the Medicare subsidies as true, qualifies as "toothless rednecks", then?
I think I see your problem. You either don't even bother to read evidence that contradicts your invested narrative, or you aren't capable of parsing what you read.
No. If causes of death are being misattributed on death certificates for a variety of reasons, as I claim they are, then the data is bad, and no meaningful inferences can be made from it. If someone dies of breast cancer treatment, and their cause of death is marked breast cancer, time doesn't solve that problem.
The truth would only be buried in mountains of proprietary hospital epidemiology data that shows relationships and timelines between symptoms, treatments, and outcomes.
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Are you claiming that you learned those numbers from USA Today ? That's your story? You didn't crib those figures from Alex Jones or whatever cesspool of misinformation that you normally consume?
The USA Today article I linked above claimed those numbers, but as you can see, the fact checker came to a completely different conclusion to that of the disinformationist poster. That conclusion was likely cribbed from one of their cesspool sites.
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