Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Cosmic Yak]

Thats nice. Thanks.

VAERS reporting is voluntary.

How many non-fatal adverse events were not reported ?

How many were killed by the injections, which were not reported ?

No. Not dot deaths that are unreported (that would defeat the claim ie its a lame misrepresentation of what I said).


I said Deaths that are wrongly reported as caused by something other than the injection, when it was the actual cause of death.


And you, or anyone cannot know how many times that has happened.


*Wouldnt it be you that attempts to revise something I said, again.

Just leaving this here.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Bubba, any response to the rest of my post, about your misquoted or misremembered made-up stories?



No, didn't think so.

 

[angrysoba]

Okay, well I look forward to the new thread. It will be interesting to have the discussion.

Thanks SG!

 

[Planigale]

You cited an NHS guideline, did you not? it's not applicable in the US in any state.

I was referring to this post.

Originally Posted by michaelsuede View Post
You're not going to find any. There are no treatment recommendations published by western governmental bodies recommending ANY repurposed off-patent medications. The only recommendations that exist include patented drugs costing $700+ per treatment regimen.

I assumed that by 'Western government' this meant at minimum the EU and UK, Norway, Iceland, Swiss, Canadian governments. I merely pointed out that this was a false statement because the UK and most national guidelines include the use of steroids - cheap off patent repurposed drugs. Michaelsuede subsequently clarified he meant out of hospital treatment for mild covid.

I understand that you think that what was meant was governmental bodies in the Western US. In that case I entirely accept UK guidelines are irrelevant.

 

[Lplus]

Interesting stats from NYC - vaccinated were MUCH less likely to test positive for Omicron:

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This doesn't seem to be related to CTs. Might be better posted on the science and medicine thread.

 

[Tippit]

I just told you the way.

The VAERS database is not the only, or even the most important, source of data.

We know that there was a government sponsored inquiry into VAERS that found a 1% reporting rate. A few months ago when I posted about this, there were some 16,000 deaths associated with the "vaccines", a number that has surely risen since then. Since there is no way to know the actual reporting rate, nor whether the "vaccines" actually caused any of the 16,000 deaths, we have to estimate.

If, for instance we assume that 50% of the reported deaths were actually caused by the "vaccines", then that's 16,000 * .5 / .01 or 800,000 deaths. I personally think the rate of causation is higher, and the reporting rate is hopefully much much higher, leading to a considerably lower number of deaths, but still probably a lot higher than what as been reported, and that says nothing about injuries.

 

[Tippit]

So out of that story, you think he was endangering the safety of his patients with a drug that is safer than any over the counter NSAID, while his patients had half the mortality of his peers? The hospital literally ordered him to do nothing - he could not treat seven people who were dying in front of him. The hospital even forbad him from giving them vitamin C.

I've noticed most pseudo-skeptics completely discount the safety profile of Ivermectin in their zealotry to discredit it, and the doctors who promote it. It's as if taking this drug in human-appropriate doses (approx .2mg/kg) represents some kind of unacceptable mortal risk. You have to question the basic motives, and/or the complete inability to asses risk of these people.

Even in the prison lawsuit in which they mentioned Ivermectin above, the worst side-effect was diarreah.

Vitamin C, even megadosing Vitamin C as I do when sick, carries no harmful side effects since it's water soluble.

Also, I can attest first hand that hospitals absolutely will not treat anyone for Covid outside of their protocol, which is generally Remdesivir which causes kidney failure, oxygen therapy, and ventilators. They won't even supplement with vitamins that have well known antiviral properties. It's almost as if they have a financial incentive for you to remain sick and die.

 

[Tippit]

Might be worth checking out Wikipedia for an unbiased account.

Paul E. Marik

Relevant extracts:

Why is it that your first instinct is to attack the character of people who have differing views?

 

[Tippit]

But reporting deaths is compulsory. All deaths are reported whether from a vaccine adverse event or from flu or from heart attacks. The cause of death is also reported. So the number of deaths from vaccine adverse reaction is known. Personally I have seen lots of people die from covid-19 (nearly all unvaccinated), but none from vaccines.

Deaths are reported, but how can you guarantee that all vaccine-caused deaths are reported as vaccine-caused? Cause of death ultimately boils down to the opinion of a physician, who is presumably guided by some kind of criteria as well as their own political bias, subject to great error.

It's also true that people are designated "unvaccinated" for two weeks after being jabbed, which means that not only are there some people who died as a direct result of the vaccine not going to be counted as a "vaccine" caused death, but that if they died of Covid within that span, the vaccine won't be blamed for being ineffective.

My own cousin died of Thrombocytopenia, a month after being jabbed, and he was in otherwise excellent health. As far as I know, there were no indications either on the death certificate or in VAERS that his death was either caused by the vaccine, or even related at all!

Statistical inferences drawn from bad data are worthless, and if there is one thing that is apparent throughout this pandemic, it's that there is a lot of bad data, driven by a lot of political reasons.

 

[Tippit]

Yeah, this is one of the ivermectin main guys.

So, he had a protocol for treating Covid. It didn't work. He wrote a paper with Kory in which they lied about the effectiveness of the treatment. The paper was retracted.

He sued his employer, then got suspended.

Now he is touting himself as a victim of Big Pharma.

Is that about right?

So in other words, a doctor with a successful 40 year career all of a sudden decided to become a quack, and a liar, overnight, according to you.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Why is it that your first instinct is to attack the character of people who have differing views?

Why is it that your first instinct is to engage in histrionics?

Pointing out the fact that a paper with Marik's name on it was retracted for falsifying data is no more an ad hominem than requiring masks in grocery stores is "forced starvation".

If stating a fact makes Marik look bad, then that's not Arthwollipot's doing. Unfortunately for you, the only sources you are able to dig up in support of your anti-science position have serious credibility problems.

 

[Tippit]

There are no unreported incidents of deaths due directly to COVID vaccines. If you claim otherwise your reliable evidence will surely be forthcoming.

We have a government study that indicates a 1% reporting rate for VAERS (that's a 99% unreporting rate) which is evidence for why your categorical denial of the possibility of unreported jab deaths is ******* ridiculous.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So in other words, a doctor with a successful 40 year career all of a sudden decided to become a quack, and a liar, overnight, according to you.

Just because it took him 40 years to find his hill of ******** to die on doesn't make him any less a liar.

Again, Tippit, the cross you've nailed yourself to is that there's a giant conspiracy involving almost every single epidemiologist, doctor, nurse and lab technician all over the world.

Edited by zooterkin: 

Be more careful with other member's names.

 

[Tippit]

What I am starting to hate most about these grifters is how much they absolutely will not shut up about being silenced. They go on for 3 hours at a time on the most-listened-to podcast in the world and spend half the time telling us just how "censored" they are.

This was done in spite of being censored virtually everywhere else. What is it about freedom of speech and basic western values that you despise so much? The fact that we haven't completely transitioned to an Orwellian nightmare yet isn't evidence that there isn't massive censorship going on right now.

 

[Tippit]

Really?

And I noticed you didn't say if the ivermectin you took worked. When I took it, it cleared my symptoms within 6 hours. The same is true of my friend, and both my parents.

I would be curious what his dosage was, as well.

 

[Tippit]

But he can not have known this when he started to treat patients. The correct thing to have done was to recruit patients to large well run multicentre trials that would rapidly give an answer to the question.

The reason why doctors have discretion to prescribe FDA approved drugs off-label, is because they have well known safety profiles for given doses. My cousin who died of Thrombocytopenia (probably jab related, in my opinion), successfully prescribed Ivermectin to his patients early in the outbreak. Should he have waited for the multi-million dollar studies to roll in for an out-of-patent drug that costs pennies to produce and sells for virtually nothing?

 

[Tippit]

I am afraid of Rogan, too. He is spreading consequential falsehoods.

What if it turns out that you're wrong, and that it's the government-backed pharmaceutical corporations that have been spreading consequential falsehoods? If so, then all of the mandates, coercion, and shaming, have compounded the deaths and disease.

The difference between you and Joe Rogan, is that Rogan isn't in favor of forcing anyone to do anything.

 

[Foster Zygote]

We have a government study that indicates a 1% reporting rate for VAERS (that's a 99% unreporting rate) which is evidence for why your categorical denial of the possibility of unreported jab deaths is ******* ridiculous.

You still don't understand what VAERS is, or you are being deliberately obtuse because you don't want to admit what VAERS is.

VAERS is like a hotline set up after a kidnapping. It is understood by those who set it up that it's a dragnet that's going to get filled with tons of junk. But the hope is that it might turn up something useful if there's anything there to be turned up.

VAERS is not scientific data. No actual legitimate study would use a system like that as a methodology for data collection. Doing so would be as stupid as treating all of the calls to the kidnapping hotline as accurate data, and concluding that 25% of the population are kidnappers.

VAERS is there so that they can watch for patterns. If a bunch of people start reporting the same or very similar symptoms, then they can focus on that using an actual scientific study. But treating VAERS like it's solid, reliable data reminds me of a headline from the Onion that went something like "90% of junior high school boys having hardcore sex daily according to survey of junior high school boys".

 

[Tippit]

Meanwhile 159,408 have been killed by Covid in the same timeframe and same population.

I don't believe your politicized Covid mortality rates.

 

[Pixel42]

If, for instance we assume that 50% of the reported deaths were actually caused by the "vaccines"

Why on earth should we assume that, or anything remotely resembling it?

VAERS and similar databases record symptoms and deaths that occurred following vaccination. Vaccination is therefore a possible cause of those symptoms and deaths, but there are innumerable other possible causes.

We cannot associate a single one of those deaths with the vaccines based on VAERS data alone. We need additional data, such as comparisons of death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, between 2021 and previous years, etc. Only then can we determine if there is a good reason to associate any of the deaths with the vaccines. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is not a good reason.

Once again: the purpose of VAERS is to give early warning of potential problems. You cannot conclude or assume anything based on VAERS data alone.