The Jan. 6 Investigation

[dudalb]

Quite frankly, I do not see what the big deal was about Bill Clinton have sort-of-sex with Monica Lewinsky. After all, I have know literally dozens of married men who have cheated on their wives.

As far as I am concerned, that topic should have been hashed out by exactly three people: Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky.

It definitely was not worth turning the nation upside-down and tens of millions of dollars (probably more like hundreds of millions of dollars) in order for those stupid, idiotic, lying Republicans with an easy anti-Clinton political issue that they could use in the upcoming mid-term elections.

I don't think it rose to the level of an impeachable offense, but it was still a scummy thinkg for a President to do.
I think the vote of censure was the appropriate response.
You also had the issue that there was a element of trust since Lewinsky was a intern.
I wonder if it was a Republican caught you would have quite so understanding.

 

[Crossbow]

That word is doing a whole lot of work.

Trump will not be charged criminally for anything he said publicly on January 6. I don't expect any true bombshells to emerge.

I expect that 'Ziggurat' is quite correct.

Realistically speaking, I also doubt that Trump will be criminally charged for what he did on 06 JAN 2021 since Trump was careful to avoid personally ordering anyone to do anything illegal and/or not doing anything illegal himself.

However, I expect Trump could be in serious trouble with the civil court system.

After all, five people died, about 140 people were injured, and millions of dollars of damages were done by those stupid, high-strung Trump flunkies, so I would not be surprised if Trump winds up having to pay tens and tens of millions of dollars in civil damages.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Again they're just flexing, letting the absolute hypocritical double standard of bringing up Clinton 20 years later while ignoring the fact that Trump spent a small fortune paying off the porn star he banged on the side of his third marriage so she wouldn't talk about his mushroom dick just hang in the air, just daring us to bring it up.

"Lookit me! Look how wrong I can be and you can't do anything about it! Neiner neiner neiner!"

Nobody is this wrong (intellectually or morally, take your pick) honestly and naturally. They are doing it on purpose.

 

[Ziggurat]

Again they're just flexing, letting the absolute hypocritical double standard of bringing up Clinton 20 years later while ignoring the fact that Trump spent a small fortune paying off the porn star he banged on the side of his third marriage so she wouldn't talk about his mushroom dick just hang in the air, just daring us to bring it up.

You are confused. Stacyhs is the one who brought up Clinton.

 

[acbytesla]

I expect that 'Ziggurat' is quite correct.

Realistically speaking, I also doubt that Trump will be criminally charged for what he did on 06 JAN 2021 since Trump was careful to avoid personally ordering anyone to do anything illegal and/or not doing anything illegal himself.

However, I expect Trump could be in serious trouble with the civil court system.

After all, five people died, about 140 people were injured, and millions of dollars of damages were done by those stupid, high-strung Trump flunkies, so I would not be surprised if Trump winds up having to pay tens and tens of millions of dollars in civil damages.

This assumes things we don't know to be true. And inaction actually can qualify as action.
Trump staged the rally on January 6th.
Trump sent the rioters to the Capitol.
Trump then did nothing for three hours but cheer the rioters on during the riot despite being Commander in Chief and having a duty to protect.

I believe it would be wrong to allow Trump to get away with an obvious attempted coup de etat. Trump should be indicted for election interference for his phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State.

 

[Ziggurat]

This assumes things we don't know to be true. And inaction actually can qualify as action.
Trump staged the rally on January 6th.

Perfectly legal.

Trump sent the rioters to the Capitol.

He sent protesters, which is legal. Some of them turned into rioters, but you haven’t established any legal responsibility for that.

Trump then did nothing for three hours but cheer the rioters on during the riot despite being Commander in Chief and having a duty to protect.

You are way off base here. The commander in chief role is to lead the military. But the military is not responsible for law enforcement. This was not a job for the military.

 

[carlitos]

"Stop the Steal" was a legal assembly on January 6 as well. They had a permit for ... up to 50 people to assemble on the Capitol grounds. So Ali Alexander should be in the clear.

 

[bruto]

Corrections: She wasn't in the hospital for cancer; she had a benign tumor removed. Gingrich divorced her; she fought the divorce. And the divorce had been initiate well before her hospital stay. But Gingrich is still a POS.

https://www.factcheck.org/2011/12/the-gingrich-divorce-myth/

I keep hearing different versions, guess I should have done deeper research, though I agree that Gingrich is a POS, and significantly responsible for the R party's scorched earth approach to politics.

One of the odd and jangling things is that a few years ago NPR had a little ongoing series of shorts in which people told about what they believed important in life, etc. I don't remember just what they called it. "I Believe," or something like that. One bit was nicely worded discourse on the value of service, etc., the kind of thing nobody would likely disagree with, which I was surprised to find was uttered by noisome Newt. Cognitive dissonance in action, I guess. He's still a lying POS, but there's a chance he actually thinks he's doing the right thing.

I'm reminded of a little quote I noted long ago by Albert Jay Nock: "Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulations of conscience."

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I expect that 'Ziggurat' is quite correct.

Realistically speaking, I also doubt that Trump will be criminally charged for what he did on 06 JAN 2021 since Trump was careful to avoid personally ordering anyone to do anything illegal and/or not doing anything illegal himself.

However, I expect Trump could be in serious trouble with the civil court system.

After all, five people died, about 140 people were injured, and millions of dollars of damages were done by those stupid, high-strung Trump flunkies, so I would not be surprised if Trump winds up having to pay tens and tens of millions of dollars in civil damages.

And the Georgia charges for interfering with the election? Think Dump can get the recorded phone call exempted from evidence?

I think some of you guys are so convinced Dump is invincible you might be denying evidence right in front of you plus you aren't considering the changed circumstances.

It's been said that Dump was going to be sorry for running for POTUS as it had shown glaring daylight on his criminal behavior. Maybe for the years he was POTUS and especially when he controlled the corrupt DoJ he was safe.

But that's not true now. There's a new sheriff in town, several of them actually.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

You are confused. Stacyhs is the one who brought up Clinton.

Squirrel! Everybody look over there >

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Perfectly legal.

No it wasn't. Cheney read the law out citing inaction as a crime.

He sent protesters, which is legal. Some of them turned into rioters, but you haven’t established any legal responsibility for that.

No it wasn't.

You are way off base here. The commander in chief role is to lead the military. But the military is not responsible for law enforcement. This was not a job for the military.

We all know that. Doesn't mean it wasn't part of Dump's plan. Since when has he been shown to actually know and understand the law?

 

[acbytesla]

Perfectly legal.



He sent protesters, which is legal. Some of them turned into rioters, but you haven’t established any legal responsibility for that.



You are way off base here. The commander in chief role is to lead the military. But the military is not responsible for law enforcement. This was not a job for the military.

This was an attack on the US Capitol. It is not standard law enforcement and DC is a Federal enclave not a State. It is the seat of our democracy. The Commander in Chief is responsible to defend the United States against all enemies foreign or domestic. What is clear is Trump sent these people to the Capitol with the intention of interfering with the legal transfer of power.

That Trump engaged in not so clever sophistry to avoid accountability doesn't fool anyone.

 

[Ziggurat]

This was an attack on the US Capitol. It is not standard law enforcement

In a sense, sure. Which is why Congress has their own police force.

But it is still law enforcement, not a military engagement.

That Trump engaged in not so clever sophistry to avoid accountability doesn't fool anyone.

The bar for legal incitement is high for a damn good reason, and Trump wasn’t close to it.

 

[Ziggurat]

And the Georgia charges for interfering with the election? Think Dump can get the recorded phone call exempted from evidence?

I don’t think the phone call means what you think it means.

I think some of you guys are so convinced Dump is invincible you might be denying evidence right in front of you plus you aren't considering the changed circumstances.

The walls have been closing in for years, supposedly. And yet, nothing ever happens.

It's been said that Dump was going to be sorry for running for POTUS as it had shown glaring daylight on his criminal behavior. Maybe for the years he was POTUS and especially when he controlled the corrupt DoJ he was safe.

But that's not true now. There's a new sheriff in town, several of them actually.

It’s been a year now. Nothing has changed. Nothing is happening. Nothing is going to happen.

 

[Craig4]

A year isn't a terribly long time in a major criminal investigation.

It would be better if he heart disease just took care of things. His nits that grew into lice will turn on and destroy each other as will all the dogs vying to be first in line to hump its leg.

 

[acbytesla]

In a sense, sure. Which is why Congress has their own police force.

But it is still law enforcement, not a military engagement.

I disagree.

The bar for legal incitement is high for a damn good reason, and Trump wasn’t close to it.

The hell he wasn't. To any reasonable observation, Trump incited an insurrection. You know it, I know it, hell everybody kows it. Trump knew exactly what he was doing as he acted this way his entire career. Encouraging criminal activities with a wink and a nod. The evidence is clear.

 

[Warp12]

The hell he wasn't. To any reasonable observation, Trump incited an insurrection. You know it, I know it, hell everybody kows it. Trump knew exactly what he was doing as he acted this way his entire career. Encouraging criminal activities with a wink and a nod. The evidence is clear.

So, if he isn't charged and convicted of a related crime, where does that leave you? With just your "beliefs"?

I don't know if he will be, or not. I'm just wondering if it ends there, for you.

 

[smartcooky]

This was an attack on the US Capitol. It is not standard law enforcement and DC is a Federal enclave not a State. It is the seat of our democracy. The Commander in Chief is responsible to defend the United States against all enemies foreign or domestic. What is clear is Trump sent these people to the Capitol with the intention of interfering with the legal transfer of power

This is indeed correct. All of his rhetoric was that Mike Pence could deliver him the presidency, and then he bleated to the crowd that Pence was too much of a coward to do what needed to be done, and now they would have to take this into their own hands.... FFS, the rally was called "Stop the Steal", it was a call to the deplorables to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump clearly and obviously incited that crowd to do what they did - only a Trump sycophant could spin it to mean anything different.

That Trump engaged in not so clever sophistry to avoid accountability doesn't fool anyone.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don’t think the phone call means what you think it means.

The walls have been closing in for years, supposedly. And yet, nothing ever happens.

It’s been a year now. Nothing has changed. Nothing is happening. Nothing is going to happen.

Sorry, your arguments and assertions are not convincing anyone in this thread (except maybe Warp12), especially not me.

 

[acbytesla]

So, if he isn't charged and convicted of a related crime, where does that leave you? With just your "beliefs"?

I don't know if he will be, or not. I'm just wondering if it ends there, for you.

What am I supposed to do? Storm the Capitol!?