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Why Joe Biden’s bid to restore scientific integrity matters

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It was a tough call as to whether to put this in the USA Politics forum or in the Science one, so I made a command decision and decided to put it in the former, and I'll let the mods figure it out (Sorry Mods :boxedin:).

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FROM: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00105-7

Why Joe Biden’s bid to restore scientific integrity matters
Virginia Gewin (2022-01-17)

Federal whistle-blowers share stories about political interference in science, and explain why the long-awaited measures announced last week are needed.

In September 2019, then-president Donald Trump falsely stated that Alabama was under threat from Hurricane Dorian as it approached the US mainland.

Three days later, despite assurances from local weather bureau officials that the claim was false, Trump showed reporters a map in which the storm’s projected path seemed to have been altered with a Sharpie permanent marker. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), a federal agency, endorsed Trump’s assertion.

In June 2020, a NOAA review panel found that Neil Jacobs, an atmospheric scientist and the agency’s acting administrator, and Julie Roberts, its deputy chief of staff and communications director, had “engaged in misconduct intentionally, knowingly or in reckless disregard” for the agency’s scientific-integrity policy by backing Trump’s incorrect assertion.

The incident, dubbed Sharpiegate, features in ‘Protecting the Integrity of Government Science’, a long-awaited report that the Biden administration’s Task Force on Scientific Integrity released last week (see http://go.nature.com/3ztsjv6; see also Nature 601, 310–311; 2022). Ordered by the current US president seven days after his inauguration in January last year, the task force’s review of scientific-integrity policies at federal agencies sets out how trust in government can be restored through scientific integrity and evidence-based policymaking.

The report calls for an overarching body that works across federal government agencies to ensure and promote best practices, and to tackle scientific-integrity violations by senior officials that cannot be handled at the agency level. These include political interference and suppression or distortion of data...

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This is an old article, but I thought it was worth bringing up in the same thread:

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FROM: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02797-1

Why Nature needs to cover politics now more than ever
EDITORIAL: (2020-10-06)

Science and politics are inseparable -- and Nature will be publishing more politics news, comment and primary research in the coming weeks and months.

Since Nature’s earliest issues, we have been publishing news, commentary and primary research on science and politics. But why does a journal of science need to cover politics? It’s an important question that readers often ask.

This week, Nature reporters outline what the impact on science might be if Joe Biden wins the US presidential election on 3 November, and chronicle President Donald Trump’s troubled legacy for science. We plan to increase politics coverage from around the world, and to publish more primary research in political science and related fields.

Science and politics have always depended on each other. The decisions and actions of politicians affect research funding and research-policy priorities. At the same time, science and research inform and shape a spectrum of public policies, from environmental protection to data ethics. The actions of politicians affect the higher-education environment, too. They can ensure that academic freedom is upheld, and commit institutions to work harder to protect equality, diversity and inclusion, and to give more space to voices from previously marginalized communities. However, politicians also have the power to pass laws that do the opposite.

The coronavirus pandemic, which has taken more than one million lives so far, has propelled the science–politics relationship into the public arena as never before, and highlighted some serious problems. COVID-related research is being produced at a rate unprecedented for an infectious disease, and there is, rightly, intense worldwide interest in how political leaders are using science to guide their decisions -- and how some are misunderstanding, misusing or suppressing it. And there is much interest in the fluctuating relationship between politicians and the scientists who governments consult or employ...

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I felt the articles were too political yet there was merit. The focus on the Trump lessens the overall need for reform.

One big element that will bring integrity back into science would be to take away the ability of NIH to dole out grants. Make a separate ombudsman department responsible for that function. Currently, there is a lockstep being performed by institutions which rely on those funds... because Dr. Fauci's department is the one funding.

This alone will free up dialogue and expand our scientific results.
 
A good start for Biden would be to not make outrageous claims, such as his administration will cure cancer.

What's next, will he claim to have invented the question mark? Preposterous.
 
I think anyone following the science would think that is exactly the kind of challenge we should be pursuing now. Biden's not wrong for promising it. He's wrong for not convincing people it's reasonable goal and selling it harder. This would be a perfect Kennedy moon shot moment.

Yes, he is actually wrong for that, lol.
 
Yes, he is actually wrong for that, lol.

No, he's not. You care to give any hint of why you think he's wrong?

I told you why I think what I think. You want to share your reasoning? I can get detailed with my reasoning. Can you even get to a vague defense of yours?
 
No, he's not. You care to give any hint of why you think he's wrong?

I told you why I think what I think. You want to share your reasoning? I can get detailed with my reasoning. Can you even get to a vague defense of yours?


For your consideration:

To understand why we haven’t cured cancer yet, the most important thing to know is that cancer is not one disease. Instead, it’s an umbrella term for more than 200 distinct diseases – that’s why we fund research into any type of cancer.

Each broad cancer type has many sub-types, and they all look and behave differently because they are different on a genetic and molecular level. This is because cancer arises from our own cells, so each cancer can be as different and diverse as people are.

https://www.worldwidecancerresearch.org/news-opinion/2021/march/why-havent-we-cured-cancer-yet/

A major challenge is that scientists aren’t in fact targeting a single disease but a constellation of hundreds of diseases that are lumped together under the umbrella classification of cancer. This came about because all cancers start in the same way, with mutations in genes that control cell function. Such mutations can fuel the unfettered replication of a single cell. If conditions are right, the cell grows and divides, escalating to millions of cells that may clump together to form a tumour – in which no two tumour cells are identical in a single tumour.

https://www.theguardian.com/cancer-revolutionaries/2021/dec/20/why-havent-we-cured-cancer

First of all, cancer is an umbrella term for over 200 different diseases. It is therefore important to highlight that scientists are not searching for one singular cure.

Each type of cancer is unique and arises from different causes for different reasons and also responds differently to treatment. What might work for one person, won’t help someone else.

This is because cancer cells mutate and as the tumour grows, more and more mutations accumulate. This means that every tumour has a unique set of mutations, so a drug that works for one person, might have no effect on another.

https://www.gmjournal.co.uk/why-haven-t-we-found-a-cure-for-cancer

“Curing cancer” sounds like something to check off a list. But that’s oversimplifying a multifaceted issue.

“Why haven’t we cured cancer? It’s not that we’re not smart enough,” Chernoff said. “It’s a very complex problem, more so than we thought 50 years ago. It turns out cancer is a general term. There are lots of different kinds of cancer in different tissues that act in different ways. They’re not all caused by the same mutations and they’re not all going to respond to the same type of treatment.”

There will likely not be one cure for cancer because more than 200 individual diseases fall under the “cancer” umbrella, according to the American Association for Cancer Research. All of these maladies are characterized by the uncontrolled production of cells. Malignant cells reproduce and form tumors or, in the case of blood cancers, crowd out normal cells in bone marrow and the bloodstream.

https://www.foxchase.org/blog/are-we-any-closer-curing-cancer

“Cancer is as individual as the person who has it,” explains Joyce Ohm, PhD, Department of Cancer Genetics and Genomics at Roswell Park. “Let’s say there are identical twin sisters, both with breast cancer. They may have been born with exactly the same genetic mutations, but one responds to therapy and one doesn’t. One may live and one may die.”
https://www.roswellpark.org/cancertalk/201909/cure-cancer-whats-taking-so-long

Right. The war on cancer goes back to Richard Nixon, and in the years since the National Cancer Act of 1971, we’ve made a ton of progress. But even five decades later, there’s not going to be a cure any time soon for one simple reason: Cancer isn’t one disease. It is a complex constellation of distinct ailments caused by a diverse mix of environmental and genetic factors.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...mmigrants-joe-biden-learns-column/1480423001/

Quite frankly, I have found pretty much zero serious support for his claim being feasible in any near timeframe. In fact, most people (including those in the medical field) seem to have scoffed at it. A whopper of a promise on the campaign trail is all it amounts to.
 
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You could have saved yourself some trouble and just posted one source for that claim. I would have completely granted that "cancer is not one disease" is a perfectly valid point based on one source. Maybe you should try making substantive posts more often and find that can actually work for you. I don't resist valid point no matter who they come from.

Biden knows cancer is multiple diseases. I'm sure he doesn't expect zero cancers any time soon. Would it be worthwhile if we only eliminated a 100 thousand cancer deaths are year?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...arks-vice-president-joe-biden-cancer-moonshot

Quite frankly, I have found pretty much zero serious support for his claim being feasible in any near timeframe
Zero, huh? I'll cite one. Care to be a bit more substantive? And remember, if you have a valid point it's simple to cite it and get agreement.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...m_michael_bloomberg_sidney_kimmel_and_others_
 
You could have saved yourself some trouble and just posted one source for that claim. I would have completely granted that "cancer is not one disease" is a perfectly valid point based on one source. Maybe you should try making substantive posts more often and find that can actually work for you. I don't resist valid point no matter who they come from.

Biden knows cancer is multiple diseases. I'm sure he doesn't expect zero cancers any time soon. Would it be worthwhile if we only eliminated a 100 thousand cancer deaths are year?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...arks-vice-president-joe-biden-cancer-moonshot


Zero, huh? I'll cite one. Care to be a bit more substantive? And remember, if you have a valid point it's simple to cite it and get agreement.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...m_michael_bloomberg_sidney_kimmel_and_others_

Uhh...that is from 6 years ago. How close are we to "curing cancer", as he promised on the campaign trail, now?

Why not just announce, "If you elect me, one day cancer will be cured...maybe". It would be more credible.

Ridiculous.
 
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Ever notice no two planets or moons are alike? Two trees? That using common processes, Nature is a mass producer of uniqueness? That therefore uniqueness in cellular biology is a moot point, whilst common processes are a key factor?
 
Ever notice no two planets or moons are alike? Two trees? That using common processes, Nature is a mass producer of uniqueness? That therefore uniqueness in cellular biology is a moot point, whilst common processes are a key factor?

It is such a "moot point" that medical science hasn't been able to "cure cancer" despite the massive amount of resources that have been devoted (as explained in my citations). But, fortunately, Biden has promised to cure it. So, no worries. :rolleyes:
 
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I felt the articles were too political yet there was merit. The focus on the Trump lessens the overall need for reform.

One big element that will bring integrity back into science would be to take away the ability of NIH to dole out grants. Make a separate ombudsman department responsible for that function. Currently, there is a lockstep being performed by institutions which rely on those funds... because Dr. Fauci's department is the one funding.

This alone will free up dialogue and expand our scientific results.

How exactly would expanding the federal beurocracy help to solve the issue?
 
It is such a "moot point" that medical science hasn't been able to "cure cancer" despite the massive amount of resources that have been devoted (as explained in my citations). But, fortunately, Biden has promised to cure it. So, no worries. :rolleyes:

That dastardly president. Funding and coordinating medical research. What will he do next? Respond appropriately to a natural disaster?
 
Some cancers are already curable. Papillary thyroid cancer is very curable. My husband had stage four 15 years ago and was cured. Non-metastasized prostate and breast cancer are, too. I see no reason why many more cancers will not be curable in the future. Cervical cancer, which took my mother, is primarily caused by the Human Papilloma virus but we now have a vaccine to prevent HPV infection in the first place so we can expect to see the occurrence of that cancer to be reduced...if people get their kids vaccinated like I did.
 

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