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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

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Captain_Swoop said:
MV-media, also known as MV??!!, formerly Mitä Vittua? ("What the ****?") and MV-lehti is a Finnish alternative media site based in Spain.

MV-lehti has been accused of racism and spreading fake news and hate speech. Due to this, Janitskin was suspected of several crimes, including incitement to ethnic or racial hatred, libel and copyright infringement, and was taken into custody by the Andorran police in August 2017.He was later extradited to Finland, and in October 2018, Janitskin was convicted of 16 offences and given a 22-month prison sentence
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He denied in court he was ever editor-in-chief of that paper.
 
Vixen said:
Yes, he did have authority. Only designated aircraft were allowed in the area.
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It was not in his power to directly control aircraft.
How would he know what aircraft were in the area or the position of those that were there? Ferries do not have air search radar or an aircraft plot or plotting crew.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How convenient that there isn't any evidence for the claims, it has all mysteriously disappeared, even the claimed German reports were seized by German security forces.

How far does this conspiracy run? Why wasn't the seizing of news footage by the 'security forces' reported in Germany, it would be a big scandal if they were acting on behalf of a foreign government to sensor German news organisations.
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You haven't answered how they got listed as survivors in the first place.
 
SpitfireIX said:
Excerpt from his book on the September 11 attacks:


This chapter examines an extensive Zionist criminal network, which the evidence indicates is behind the false-flag terrorism of 9/11. The information in this chapter strongly supports the thesis that senior officers from Israeli military intelligence agencies were the chief architects of 9/11. . . .

Aware of the increasing prevalence and dominance of Zionist Jews in the political, financial, and academic sectors, I came to the conclusion that I was living in Jewish times. As an American raised with traditional Christian values, I realized that the culture I had grown up in was under attack and being reduced to a sub-culture. Through the Jewish-controlled media, a distinctly foreign and anti-Christian culture of pornography, perversion, and violence was being pushed. The producers of this "new culture" were primarily Jews of Eastern European origin. Through their control of the mass media, film, radio, and television networks, a diet of perverse entertainment and un-American values was being force-fed to the unsuspecting American population.

Concurrent with the rise of the Jewish-Zionist faction in the U.S. media there was a significant increase in Zionist power in the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. This influence could be seen in the way the U.S. government and federal courts unfairly prosecuted innocent people, including the president of Austria, on unfounded allegations of crimes having been committed decades ago against Jews in distant countries. Meanwhile, there was a noticeable increase in the number and magnitude of crimes committed by Jews in the United States and the international arena that went completely unpunished.

As in the Soviet Union, Jewish criminals in America used the "holocaust" and the slanderous charge of anti-Semitism as a shield to protect their criminal network and extortion rackets by intimidating and silencing those who would dare to expose the monstrous crimes they were involved in. A secret "combination" or Zionist network was clearly at work pulling the strings at the highest level behind the scenes.​
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But apart from that, how was your holiday in Netanya?
 
Vixen said:
Can I ask who labelled Bollyn an 'Anti-Semite'? Being pro-Palestinian doesn't make a person a foot-stomping nazi fascist anti-Semite? I have a friend who spent time in Palestine doing charity work. The idea that she is anti-Semitic because she passionately supports the Palestinian cause, is utterly laughable. Likewise, there are plenty of books on Amazon by Jewish intellectuals who are critical of the Israeli state. Come on people, you are better than slapping two-word labels on other people without any other further explanation.

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

~ Evelyn Beatrice Hall in 1906

The Estonia disaster is a human disaster not a battle of ideology.
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Why would you care. You have never heard of him, and certainly never used him as a source. He is just some dude on the internet.
 
Vixen said:
The JAIC itself tells you the parameters of the OSC commands and one of them was to drop off the dead or the survivors either on the deck of the ships or at Utö, to be transferred to a relevant hospital. Once Turku was full, they were taken to Mariehamn.
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OSC could not issue 'commands' the OSC was a coordinator for the various resources at the scene.

If a Swedish Navy helicopter wanted to vary it's route to drop of survivors at a hospital more convenient for the overall mission, why would the OSC object. How would he stop it happening?
 
Vixen said:
If a ship overturns in the English Channel, can a helicopter from Sweden pop over and cart the survivors off to Sweden?
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Why would it? For obvious reasons, If a ship sank in the channel French and British helicopters would be involved.
Survivors would be taken to the most convenient location.

If it sank close to the French coast I would expect just French helicopters to respond, and similar for British helicopters if it was near the British coast.

A request could be made to other nations to assist the rescue but the country a helicopter belonged to would still have control if it.
 
Vixen said:
You haven't answered how they got listed as survivors in the first place.
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Because it was a confusing situation involving helicopter and surface SAR teams from four nations and ships from three taking survivors to several locations in two different countries.
 
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Vixen said:
Obviously, I am talking about regularly read newspapers.
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Once again, MV Lehti is not a regularly read newspaper.

It is a right-wing propaganda outlet.

You are beginning to convince me that you actually are neo-fascist.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Two helicopters on their way back to their base for repairs dropped survivors they had onboard at a hospital close to their direct route.
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No, the JIAC gives the reason as being 'low on fuel'.

This underlines my belief there was a helicopter on the scene, having left just after 0200 (EET) within the standard 15-minute time frame, and as there was no OSC as of that time, it simply took the persons it rescued to Huddinge. As these turned out to include some members of the senior crew - who unsurprisingly would be travelling together - just like, Sillaste, Treu, Linde and Kadak, who were also all in one raft - as they were accommodated in the upper decks in nearby cabins.

As they had to be removed from the list of survivors later, JAIC found it easier to simply ignore the early flight all together and pretend Svensson's team did not arrive until near six o'clock and only picked up one survivor.

The fact one team member might have swapped with another team member does not obscure the fact that Y64's tally was one, when earlier Svensson had been giving it large to Aftonbladet that he (his team) had rescued eight human beings plus one who died.
 
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