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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

johnny karate said:
No one has explained why the hundreds of election and public health officials being hounded out of their professions by right wing mobs doesn't count as "cancel culture". (Chris_Halkides kind of started to, but then bailed.)

I would argue that someone who doesn't take a full and complete look at a problem probably isn't really interested in the problem itself, but rather and only how the problem affects them. Which leads me to the conclusion that their concerns are disingenuous and not to taken seriously.
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I would argue it's not cancel culture because cancel culture is made up BS.

Right wing freaks using thinly veiled threats of violence to intimidate local bureaucrats into bending to the will of a political minority is a very real problem. Calling it cancel culture, which is made up right wing culture war nonsense, does this problem a disservice.
 
Slavery - Not cancel culture, no screeching about "where do we draw the line" or freedom of speech.

Jim Crow - Not cancel culture, no screeching about "where do we draw the line" or freedom of speech.

Segregation - Not cancel culture, no screeching about "where do we draw the line" or freedom of speech.

Institutional Racism - Not cancel culture, no screeching about "where do we draw the line" or freedom of speech.

"I'm a racist and all of a sudden there's social consequences." *Clears throat, gets out megaphone, stands on table* OMG CANCEL CULTURE THIS IS SUCH A SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE I DEMAND A CIVIL DEBATE ABOUT FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!!!!
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I would argue it's not cancel culture because cancel culture is made up BS.

Right wing freaks using thinly veiled threats of violence to intimidate local bureaucrats into bending to the will of a political minority is a very real problem. Calling it cancel culture, which is made up right wing culture war nonsense, does this problem a disservice.
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I don't disagree with any of that.

But assuming for the sake of argument that "cancel culture" is a legitimate problem, I'd still like to know why this phenomenon doesn't merit the same (or any) attention as some random college professor losing their job.
 
lionking said:
Utter nonsense. Your contention that it has always been happening as it it is now is wrong. Look at the examples in Ronson’s book.
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Since I never said that it would be hard for me to be wrong for saying it.

My post even explicitly states the difference.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I would argue it's not cancel culture because cancel culture is made up BS.

Right wing freaks using thinly veiled threats of violence to intimidate local bureaucrats into bending to the will of a political minority is a very real problem. Calling it cancel culture, which is made up right wing culture war nonsense, does this problem a disservice.
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You are right - it is exactly like "political correctness" (post 70s) that only ever existed as a right-wing strawman.
 
johnny karate said:
No one has explained why the hundreds of election and public health officials being hounded out of their professions by right wing mobs doesn't count as "cancel culture".
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Don't know where you got "hundreds" from, but if they are being hounded out as a result of viral public shaming then it certainly counts as cancel culture in my book.
 
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d4m10n said:
Don't know where you got "hundreds" from, but if they are being hounded out as a result of viral public shaming then it certainly counts as cancel culture in my book.
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We're not asking you if you would technically define something as "Cancel Culture" when someone else brought it up cornered you with it with a the direct question.

We're wondering why certain things attract the outrage organically and naturally from you and yours and other things don't.

Or rather we understand, we just want to hear what your excuse is.
 
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d4m10n said:
Don't know where you got "hundreds" from, but if they are being hounded out as a result of viral public shaming then it certainly counts as cancel culture in my book.
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Then why don't you are any other "cancel culture" critics ever bring it up or even seem to be aware of it? It's happening on a much larger scale with significantly more serious consequences than the trials and tribulations of the likes of Gelato Andy.

Also, I'll be happy to substantiate my "hundreds" claims just as soon as you substantiate the oft-repeated claim that Twitter mobs or online mobs or whatever are coercing major corporations into making policy decisions that they wouldn't otherwise make.
 
johnny karate said:
Then why don't you [or] any other "cancel culture" critics ever bring it up or even seem to be aware of it?
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I already said why most of the cancellation efforts I've seen are from the left, at #778.

It's happening on a much larger scale with significantly more serious consequences...
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Possibly this is true, but I've yet to see any data. What are some of the more well-reported examples?
 
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d4m10n said:
I already said why most of the cancellation efforts I've seen are from the left, at #778.
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Telling me you aren't aware of something doesn't address the question of why you aren't aware of it.

Possibly this is true, but I've yet to see any data. What are some of the more well-reported examples?
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I'm perfectly happy to provide these examples.

However, I feel it's necessary to hold your feet to the fire about the claims I referenced in my previous post. Substantiate that long-standing claim and I'll gladly reciprocate.
 
lionking said:
********. His work has been censored and he will never work in TV comedy again.

His crime was creating characters which made people feel uncomfortable, and he paid the price of cancellation.
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Chris Lilley hasn't been censored, and whether or not he will once again be granted the privilege of working in TV comedy remains to be seen, but I'm not aware of anyone, anywhere barring him from doing so.

It's over-the-top hysteria like this that makes it so difficult to take "cancel culture" critics seriously.
 
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