Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Pixel42]

Over 70% of Germans are vaccinated, and vaccination reduces serious illness and death far more than it does cases, so anyone with any sense would expect more cases of a new variant amongst the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. I haven't clicked on the link, but I'm guessing someone is deliberately misrepresenting this inevitable fact as "Omicron is a disease of the vaccinated".

 

[carlitos]

I gave you one bite of the cherry when you linked to that stupendously idiotic Steve Kirsch article.

I see what you did there.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Some wise guy on another thread posted this:

Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

The vaccine was implicated in 93% of the deaths in the patients they examined. What’s troubling is the coroner didn’t implicate the vaccine in any of those deaths.

Summary

The vaccines are bad news. Fifteen bodies were examined (all died from 7 days to 6 months after vaccination; ages 28 to 95). The coroner or the public prosecutor didn’t associate the vaccine as the cause of death in any of the cases. However, further examination revealed that the vaccine was implicated in the deaths of 14 of the 15 cases. The most attacked organ was the heart (in all of the people who died), but other organs were attacked as well. The implications are potentially enormous resulting in millions of deaths. The vaccines should be immediately halted.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bhakd...vaccinated-were-killed-by-the-vaccine/5765859

Repeated debunking has little effect on this kind of nonsense, but, on the off chance it might be of benefit:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ause-death-wont-depopulate-planet/7411271002/

https://www.thejournal.ie/claims-about-vaccines-working-with-respiratory-illness-5468645-Jun2021/

 

[Lithrael]

The way they said Bhakdi/Burkhardt, I thought it was some kind of established diagnostic rather than the names of a couple of cranks. The above links are about Bhakdi, so here’s one for Burkhardt.

On September 20, 2021, a private clinic in the German city of Reutlingen hosted a “Pathologists’ Conference” that featured three speakers, including Arne Burkhardt, the private clinic’s owner. For roughly three hours, Burkhardt and his colleagues addressed a small audience, describing their study of COVID-19 patients’ biomaterials (though they conducted no autopsies themselves), arguing that supposedly abnormal accumulations of white blood cells in the kidneys and liver indicate that vaccines against the disease “provoke an excessive immune response.” Burkhardt even claimed that analysis under an electron microscope showed that coronavirus vaccines contain “unusually shaped foreign bodies,” likely made of metal. His presentation included a slide that bore the question: “Mikrochips??”

From https://meduza.io/amp/en/feature/2021/11/11/the-two-faces-of-rt-s-coronavirus-propaganda

 

[eerok]

There are a number of links to that story, and it appears to be from a quasi-governmental source.

How did you determine that it is crap?

When science is misrepresented to support an agenda of disinformation, then it's crap.

 

[Steve]

There are a number of links to that story, and it appears to be from a quasi-governmental source.
How did you determine that it is crap?

Is it possible to be any more vague?

 

[jimbob]

Some wise guy on another thread posted this:

Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine

The vaccine was implicated in 93% of the deaths in the patients they examined. What’s troubling is the coroner didn’t implicate the vaccine in any of those deaths.

Summary

The vaccines are bad news. Fifteen bodies were examined (all died from 7 days to 6 months after vaccination; ages 28 to 95). The coroner or the public prosecutor didn’t associate the vaccine as the cause of death in any of the cases. However, further examination revealed that the vaccine was implicated in the deaths of 14 of the 15 cases. The most attacked organ was the heart (in all of the people who died), but other organs were attacked as well. The implications are potentially enormous resulting in millions of deaths. The vaccines should be immediately halted.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bhakd...vaccinated-were-killed-by-the-vaccine/5765859

The UK has very good data. Especially for England. It's utter crackpottery.

The US data shows either that there are undiagnosed Covid deaths, or there is no difference beyond statistical noise, or those getting the vaccine are less likely to die of non-Covid causes when corrected for demographic factors - possibly due to them being more careful about their health.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Did someone mention Steve Kirsch?

Some insolence has been delivered - https://respectfulinsolence.com/202...veals-secret-plan-to-end-the-vaccine-madness/

 

[Carrot Flower King]

There are a number of links to that story, and it appears to be from a quasi-governmental source.

"Quasi-governmental"? Is that another one of those constructions like Knightly being a "former Guardian investigative journalist"?

Oh, and the debunking of Knightly's nonsense, linked to at least 3 times, has still not been addressed, despite you asking what was wrong with what Knightly plucked from some orifice...

 

[zorro99]

Repeated debunking has little effect on this kind of nonsense, but, on the off chance it might be of benefit:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ause-death-wont-depopulate-planet/7411271002/

https://www.thejournal.ie/claims-about-vaccines-working-with-respiratory-illness-5468645-Jun2021/

Thanks, it helps.

 

[bruto]

Did someone mention Steve Kirsch?

Some insolence has been delivered - https://respectfulinsolence.com/202...veals-secret-plan-to-end-the-vaccine-madness/

I admit to some bias here, but whenever I see a reference to red pills and blue pills I find it difficult to credit the speaker with a grasp of reality. I may be alone in this, but when I see it I find myself uttering obscenities, such as "It's a ******* movie, and it's really pretty ******* stupid too, you dumb ****."

e.t.a. I initially stopped right there, but after the fact I read on, and see that the commentator agrees. Glad I'm not alone in this.

 

[MBDK]

Are reports of excess deaths due to covid vaccinations totally bogus?

I truly don't know.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/unprecedented-deaths-in-indiana-for

Very little actual information is provided. Where did they get these numbers? Where is the data? Is this just Indiana, or the whole USA? The little that can currently be found on the internet is from what appears to be the news source for the claims (as provided by your link):

https://www.thecentersquare.com/.../article_71473b12-6b1e...

In this article are two interesting quotes. This one:

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,”

Which indicates this is a recent trend, not one seen over the course of vaccinations, and this one:

"The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319."

This data shows an actual increase of other-cause deaths of only 2.35% compared to a year ago. That is a far cry from the 40% claimed. Now, that figure is for Indiana only (the state where the insurance company is headquartered), but it is the ONLY source given for quantitative analysis. Without additional legitimate information, the claims, as stated in the article, are unsupported.

 

[smartcooky]

"The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319."

This data shows an actual increase of other-cause deaths of only 2.35% compared to a year ago. That is a far cry from the 40% claimed.

2.35% is a miniscule blip in those kinds of statistics. That could be accounted for by a simple bad week of car accidents. I'd like to see the figures for the few weeks before and after Nov 6. He lefts those out.... Now, I wonder why that is!

As usual, Tom Palven gets his information from bat-**** crazy sources... Steven Kirsch? Really? The guy is a serial moron

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Are reports of excess deaths due to covid vaccinations totally bogus?

I truly don't know.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/unprecedented-deaths-in-indiana-for

Perhaps if you didn't rely on sources known for their unreliability, you might not keep posting things that are untrue or misrepresented.
The story in your link falls into the latter category.

Here's a source giving a fuller story:

“We’re seeing right now the highest death rates we’ve ever seen in the history of this business,” said Scott Davison, the CEO of OneAmerica, a $100 billion life insurance and retirement company headquartered in Indianapolis.

“The data is consistent across every player in the business.”

Davison said death rates among working age people – those 18 to 64-years-old – are up 40 percent in the third and fourth quarter of 2021 over pre-pandemic levels.

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three sigma or 200-year catastrophe would be a 10 percent increase over pre-pandemic levels,” Davison said. “So, 40 percent is just unheard of.”

He said the data shows COVID deaths are greatly understated among working age Americans.

Davison says OneAmerica expects to pay out more than $100 million in short- and long-term disability claims due to the pandemic.

“Whether it’s long COVID or whether it’s because people haven’t been able to get the health care they need because the hospitals are overrun, we’re seeing those claims start to tick up as well,” he said.

In addition:

Davison said nearly all OneAmerica’s employees have been working from home since the start of the pandemic, but to be fully effective, he said the company needs to be working on at least a hybrid schedule.

“The challenge we have is that 84 percent of our people are vaccinated, and we have heard loud and clear from our vaccinated employees that they want no part of working in an open office environment with unvaccinated associates,” Davison said. “And some of them made it very, very clear that if we try to comingle them with unvaccinated people, they’ll consider the workplace is unsafe.”

He said once the omicron wave has subsided and the company returns to a hybrid schedule, it will require all employees to be vaccinated.

https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/insurance-death-rates-working-age-people-up-40-percent

From another source:

The press conference that featured Davison was organized to promote vaccination efforts in Indiana. Kevin Brinegar, the Indiana chamber president, said in introductory remarks that the chamber wanted to emphasize the severity of the impact of the current COVID-19 spike on Indiana’s hospitals and employers.

https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2022/0...deaths-past-200-year-event-levels-oneamerica/

So you see, Tom Palven, this is how that story was twisted and distorted to fit a dishonest agenda by your source, Steve Kirsch. Hopefully, you'll use your little holiday to reflect on this.

 

[carlitos]

what appears to be the news source for the claims (as provided by your link):

https://www.thecentersquare.com/.../article_71473b12-6b1e...

In this article are two interesting quotes. This one:

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,”

Which indicates this is a recent trend, not one seen over the course of vaccinations, and this one:

"The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319."

Googling with the misspelling "verses" in that quote finds it all over the place. People seem to be posting the full article in comments sections. As ever, this is how the truth is revealed. If those spammers ever get banned, they can call themselves investigative journalists and start fact-denial blogs called "Off Indystar" or "Off Minneapolis Post-Tribune."

 

[W.D.Clinger]

There are a number of links to that story, and it appears to be from a quasi-governmental source.
How did you determine that it is crap?

Is it possible to be any more vague?

Yes. Tom could have written something like

It occurs to me that I could imagine a universe in which there might possibly be some integral number of potential references to a pseudo-story whose origins within some sort of quasi-institutional organization could not be definitively disproved without making some kind of tiny effort.​

And that would have been more accurate than what Tom actually wrote.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Yes. Tom could have written something like

It occurs to me that I could imagine a universe in which there might possibly be some integral number of potential references to a pseudo-story whose origins within some sort of quasi-institutional organization could not be definitively disproved without making some kind of tiny effort.​

And that would have been more accurate than what Tom actually wrote.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Anyone want a laugh at the expense of Colleen Huber?

Here you go - https://respectfulinsolence.com/202...ogist-colleen-huber-goes-full-covid-19-quack/

 

[Chris_Halkides]

Let's not forget about immunoglobulin A

"He [Dr. Bhakdi] claimed that because Covid-19 is a respiratory disease, and the antibodies created as a result of the vaccine are in the blood, vaccinated people are not protected against infection."

(disclaimer: immunology is not my field). One, his position ignores the T cell response; for example, see this link. Two, although IgG and IgM are the major antibodies found in blood, various forms of immunoglobulin A (IgA) are found in mucosa and saliva (at least one form of IgA is also found in the blood). A May 2020 article stated, "There is a lack of systematic study on IgA production in COVID-19 patients. Reported serology tests focus on IgM, IgG and total immunoglobulins although IgA is playing an important role in mucosal immunity." A paper from May 2021 stated, "The kinetics of specific immunoglobulin production against spike-1 receptor-binding domain and nucleocapsid protein shows that the vast majority of patients produce detectable neutralizing IgG and IgA antibodies within 2-3 weeks from onset of symptoms." See also this link. For these reasons among others, I find his claim to be dubious at best.

 

[Tom Palven]

It seems that as with the case of The War on Drugs, discussion of The War on Covid does not consist of a calm and rational cost/benefit analysis of The War.

Instead, it appears that the major media restrict themselves to scare stories and minutiae that amount to questions like "How many Omicron germs can dance on the head of a pin?"
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/