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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

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JayUtah said:
You carefully avoided answering my question.

Do you believe Hoffmeister got the right answer regarding the failure sequence? Do you believe JAIC got the failure sequence wrong?
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Kari Lehtola obviously made it up as that is what he claimed on day two when he was appointed, before the ship was even located.
 
Vixen said:
That bit you can find on general knowledge google.
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LOL oh REALLY, Vixen?

Then show us what Wikipedia article we should be calling up, to educate us on the design considerations around bottom locks on pivoting bow visors of RORO ferries.

(If you're saying it came from Wikipedia, it must (by definition) mean that you have already sought and found this information there. And therefore it should take you very little effort to re-locate your source and share it with us. Shouldn't it, Vixen?)
 
Vixen said:
Kari Lehtola obviously made it up as that is what he claimed on day two when he was appointed, before the ship was even located.
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Wrong - and irrelevant - answer. And you know it. Yet more dishonesty from you.
 
Vixen said:
That is why you ask for date of birth to verify it.
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How would the helicopter crew know all the names and dates of birth of all the passengers and crew?

What if the person pulled out of the water was incapable of answering?

How could it be verified?
 
Vixen said:
Kari Lehtola obviously made it up as that is what he claimed on day two when he was appointed, before the ship was even located.
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Second time deliberately failing to answer the question. Do you believe Hoffmeister was right regarding the failure sequence? Do you believe JAIC got the failure sequence wrong?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
But why would it need a secret ninja mission to do it?

Why would the Police Chief be 'aching' to interview the ships officers?

It wasn't a Swedish ship and didn't sink in Swedish waters and the captain wasn't Swedish.
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Police are suspicious. It is their job to be suspicious. If a passenger ferry sinks in half an hour to the bottom of the sea, you should be very very suspicious. If you are a good detective you will already be determined that the culprits will not get away by hook or by crook.

Sillaste was brought into Turku in handcuffs.
 
Vixen said:
Police are suspicious. It is their job to be suspicious. If a passenger ferry sinks in half an hour to the bottom of the sea, you should be very very suspicious. If you are a good detective you will already be determined that the culprits will not get away by hook or by crook.
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Suspicious of what? that the captain and crew sank their own ship?
Why would he be involved at all?

Sillaste was brought into Turku in handcuffs.
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What is your source for this?
Why was he in handcuffs? was it because they thought he sank the ship?
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
How would the helicopter crew know all the names and dates of birth of all the passengers and crew?
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They contact the public records office of whatever country the rescuee claims to be from, and make a FOI application. The office is obliged to respond within 30 days.

What if the person pulled out of the water was incapable of answering?
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Tough. They get thrown back.
 
Vixen said:
Their names did appear on early survivors lists.
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As soon as a name gets wrongly added to one list it'll inevitably get copied onto other lists. After people can check the lists against who's actually where, the mistakes can get identified.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
How would the helicopter crew know all the names and dates of birth of all the passengers and crew?

What if the person pulled out of the water was incapable of answering?

How could it be verified?
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The guys told to bring in the senior officers will have been appraised in advance who they are looking for, together with photos and personal details.

If someone can't talk, you send him to hospital and wait until he is better.
 
Vixen said:
From what I know of Atlantic locks, I believe the JAIC were ignorant as to its function.
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It is covered in great detail in the report and in the supplements to the report, both it's design' development and construction.

Why do you think JAIC were ignorant as to it's function?
 
JayUtah said:
Third time deliberately avoiding answering the question. Do you believe Hoffmeister got the failure sequence right? Do you believe JAIC got the failure sequence wrong?
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I trust Hoffmeister to have upheld academic and scientific principles of objectivity and integrity. So I do believe there is a high level of probability that his failure sequence is correctly calculated.
 
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